Kessel is not even on the same planet as Crosby!!
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it's been discussed before but i agree,he's not.I think most people know that now.I was'nt sure 100% going into this tournament,i don't get to see him in the ncaa this year or anything so i don't get to watch him reguarly but after this tournament it's clear he's not the same caliber of player.Still a damn good one with nice tools however.But me................i am starting to think Eric Johnson is the real guy to watch in this draft.He has impressed me.
But is he the American Crosby or Ovechkin? Nope.
But is he the American Crosby or Ovechkin? Nope.
I think Kessel was pretty good in the tournament, but i don't know what those guys are talking about... toews is not in kessels league. I don't think toews is THAT good. He definately won't be competing for the #1 draft spot.
Oh, I dunno about that. Toews is 6 months younger & a big kid. Big kids take longer to develop than smaller kids generally.Fubar said:
That been said , Kessel likely will go #1, but as previously mentioned, those previous threads comparing Kessel to Crosby were ridiculous then & now. Only very slightly more ridiculous would have been if there had been comparisons of Toews to Crosby, but thank the Lord, for some reason there were none of those.
It was also mentioned that if Kessel was 3 weeks older he would of been drafted last year. In my opinion these guys are not even close Kessel is a good player but not the calibre of Crosby.
Kessel is an incredable young talent, but still overrated, as is most of this U.S Team. People predicted before the tournament they would be dominating, and Switzerland, Finland, and Canada, have all been in pretty equal games with them; resulting in one narrow win, one narrow loss, and one tie. He is not the level of Crosby at the same age, the only way he will be comparable is if he somehow improves alot more than Crosby does in the coming years.
Bixby Snyder
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Blame the media for the hype especially idiots like Pierre McGuire for their ridiculous comparisons.
Yesterday i tought that Kessel was better than Toews who is touted as number 2 spot... Clearly, Kessel was more dangerous... He got skills and speed....
But Kessel doesn't seem as the real deal... He doesn't make pass... its may seems weird as he has now 8 assisrs and no goal but its true.. And his "One on One" move doesnt work with the Canadians defenders... its may work againts Norway but not against better d-man... imagine last year if kessel would have faced Dion Phaneuf and his "Welcome Hit".. Ouch...
But, of course, He got all the tools.. But I think that his plays are just immatures... for the moment... We can see that he is a 17-18 yrs old in a 19 yrs old tournament.. But you obviously see why he is so hyped...he is already dangerous.. and you fear him....
But i think that Johnson and Toews are safer pick... With less potential thought...
But I like Toews in this tournament.. He is very intelligent and plays a safe game... He is gonna be a great layer...
But Head-to head, Kessel is NO CROSBY... but who is? oveckin? maybe..
But Kessel doesn't seem as the real deal... He doesn't make pass... its may seems weird as he has now 8 assisrs and no goal but its true.. And his "One on One" move doesnt work with the Canadians defenders... its may work againts Norway but not against better d-man... imagine last year if kessel would have faced Dion Phaneuf and his "Welcome Hit".. Ouch...
But, of course, He got all the tools.. But I think that his plays are just immatures... for the moment... We can see that he is a 17-18 yrs old in a 19 yrs old tournament.. But you obviously see why he is so hyped...he is already dangerous.. and you fear him....
But i think that Johnson and Toews are safer pick... With less potential thought...
But I like Toews in this tournament.. He is very intelligent and plays a safe game... He is gonna be a great layer...
But Head-to head, Kessel is NO CROSBY... but who is? oveckin? maybe..
Fubar said:
Toews is a year younger than Kessel, '88 born not '87. It's tough being an 18 yr old in this tourney, never mind a 17 yr old like Toews.
Alberta Yote
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Kessel is very good and will be the #1 pick unless a team with a definite need for a huge and mobile d-man wins the lottery. Toews will not go #1. Crosby is light years ahead of Kessel though.
Byt the way, that move Kessel makes will get him killed in the NHL.
Byt the way, that move Kessel makes will get him killed in the NHL.
Lou is God
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I think before everybody passes judgement on Kessel they should at least wait till this tournament has been played out completely.
Malkin is close to Crosby too. He is already better than Ovechkin was last year in Russian league as same age. Comparing Ovechkin to Malkin/Crosby is bit hard otherwise since they are different type of players. But Kessel is anyway far away from these 3.
CSKA said:
And please stop making Ovechkin better than Crosby , its getting boring man.
Kessel though.
I agree. That jump move he always tries is going to get him killed. Someone is going to step up and absolutely plow him.
He is dangerous though. When he gets the puck and starts going, you get the feeling that soemthing might happen.
Just seems like he's playing shinny though for some reason considering the moves he uses. That's not a compliment either.
kessel isnt in crosby's league right now, i think everyone accepts that at this point in time. i also feel that crosby isnt in ovechkin or phaneuf's league at this time. but im not going to say crosby is overated on that basis, and i dont think kessel is either. kessel will likely be the #1 overall pick, and he has a chance to be a very great player, but not a once in a decade type talent. kessel is still leading the wjc's in scoring at this time and the leading freshman scorer in college. i really dont get why people think toews can go #1 overall based on this season and this tourney, in my opinion hes been outplayed, and had far less impact at the wjc's then erik johnson, peter mueller and nicklas backstrom.
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Kessel is obviously a very talented player, but he's like the rookie who goes through the league for the first time and is able to beat defenceman one-on-one. The next time through, not so much. A year ago I thought he'd be untouchable for the No. 1 pick, but now I'm not so sure. If I was picking No. 1, I'd take Toewes. He's not as spectacular but he's going to be a more complete player IMO.
Im kinda curious as to exactly what Crosby would have had to do this year to be in Phaneufs or Ovechkins league.orangeandblack said:
Sammy said:
I guess he would have had to play in junior at a lower level and score 300pts! And even that probably woudn't have been good enough.
Kinbote said:
I remember McGuire stating on the Team 990 (in Montreal) that he thought Kessel would be more dominant than Crosby. What a ****** bag!! You can always count on McGuire to make an IDIOTIC statement just to get a reaction.
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Let's end this once in for all. Kessel is not in Crosby, Ovechkin, and likely Malkin's class. He is however a very talented offensive player that plays the game at a high tempo and is showing improvement in areas of his game that have been viewed as suspect (such as his playmaking and attention to defense). Is he guaranteed to be a star at the next level? No, but very few prospects have that distinction. I've led the Kessel bandwagon for some time, but even I can be realistic.
However, this tournament (which isn't over yet) is looking like it's setting up the draft order for the 2006 draft pretty well. I would say Kessel, Toews, Johnson, and Mueller have had good tournies, while Frolik has been a bit quiet. Those five (in that order) will likely be the top five in the draft.
However, this tournament (which isn't over yet) is looking like it's setting up the draft order for the 2006 draft pretty well. I would say Kessel, Toews, Johnson, and Mueller have had good tournies, while Frolik has been a bit quiet. Those five (in that order) will likely be the top five in the draft.
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