Proposal: [email protected](50%) to SJS or NJD

[Stewie Griffin]

Why would Kessel waive for 2 teams that have zero chance of making the playoffs? New Jersey and San Jose are going nowhere. Noway Kessel would waive for either.

Not disagreeing with you but both those teams are more promising than the team he currently plays for.

 

[Carl33]

CAn’t be 3,4

Rules is 50% of initial contract, so 8,0 salary

 

[Pinkfloyd]

CAn’t be 3,4

Rules is 50% of initial contract, so 8,0 salary

His current cap hit for Arizona is 6.8 million. They can retain up to 3.4 million.

 

[rt]

Why would Kessel waive for 2 teams that have zero chance of making the playoffs? New Jersey and San Jose are going nowhere. Noway Kessel would waive for either.

Of course he would. There is a 100% certainty that he would. They’re bubble teams with talent. He’s on a team that’s losing intentionally. The assistant captains for tonight’s season opener are Andrew Ladd and Jay Beagle. There’s a great chance those are his line mates. I’m sorry, but you just couldn’t be any more wrong on this.

He’s at a crossroads in his career. Despite putting up 28 goals per 82 game pace last season and despite Arizona being willing to retain his value down to 3.4aav, there is obviously very little serious interest in this player. If there were, the team would’ve honored his trade request by now.

What do you think that says about his market demand when he hits UFA? If he doesn’t want to be the next James Neal, going from team to team on PTOs forever, he MUST have a good individual statistical season. That is the difference between a PTO and a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract as a UFA.

Where does he have a better shot at putting up the numbers needed to re-write the ending to the story of his career, Arizona or a bubble team like San Jose or New Jersey? The answer is obvious.

And while you might be tempted to counter that he’d be most likely to have his best season on a Cup contending team, please remember that those teams do not have room for him, nor the desire to add him.

He will not be picky. I imagine Arizona is 31/32 on his list of desired teams to play for. Anywhere but Buffalo is an improvement.

 

[rt]

CAn’t be 3,4

Rules is 50% of initial contract, so 8,0 salary

Incorrect. Toronto is already retaining. And yes, two teams can retain. And no, it’s not a total of 50%, it’s up to 50% for each team. Arizona can retain 3.4 of the remaining 6.8 aav. And I’m not sure why you’re bringing salary into this. He’s owed less than a million dollars in salary this season. Which is exactly why Arizona would be happy to retain.

 

[MartyOwns]

i would do it as a holtz placeholder, but there's no way kessel waives to come to nj

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Incorrect. Toronto is already retaining. And yes, two teams can retain. And no, it’s not a total of 50%, it’s up to 50% for each team. Arizona can retain 3.4 of the remaining 6.8 aav. And I’m not sure why you’re bringing salary into this. He’s owed less than a million dollars in salary this season. Which is exactly why Arizona would be happy to retain.

That and this sort of thing has already happened. Devan Dubnyk was retained 50% on twice in one season back in 2014.

 

[Groo]

I can see Wilson having an interest in Kessel

 

[rt]

I can see Wilson having an interest in Kessel

Me too.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Why would Kessel waive for 2 teams that have zero chance of making the playoffs? New Jersey and San Jose are going nowhere. Noway Kessel would waive for either.

Yeah I was wondering why nobody was bringing this up. I can’t see Kessel waiving to be on a team that’s only marginally better.

Maybe for a contender (or borderline contender) or maybe a team closer to his family (which I think is in Wisconsin) but not for those two squads.

 

[PAZ]

Of course he would. There is a 100% certainty that he would. They’re bubble teams with talent. He’s on a team that’s losing intentionally. The assistant captains for tonight’s season opener are Andrew Ladd and Jay Beagle. There’s a great chance those are his line mates. I’m sorry, but you just couldn’t be any more wrong on this.

He’s at a crossroads in his career. Despite putting up 28 goals per 82 game pace last season and despite Arizona being willing to retain his value down to 3.4aav, there is obviously very little serious interest in this player. If there were, the team would’ve honored his trade request by now.

What do you think that says about his market demand when he hits UFA? If he doesn’t want to be the next James Neal, going from team to team on PTOs forever, he MUST have a good individual statistical season. That is the difference between a PTO and a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract as a UFA.

Where does he have a better shot at putting up the numbers needed to re-write the ending to the story of his career, Arizona or a bubble team like San Jose or New Jersey? The answer is obvious.

And while you might be tempted to counter that he’d be most likely to have his best season on a Cup contending team, please remember that those teams do not have room for him, nor the desire to add him.

He will not be picky. I imagine Arizona is 31/32 on his list of desired teams to play for. Anywhere but Buffalo is an improvement.

Did he not waive to Arizona in the first place, even when they were a bubble team at best? Kessel has made $90 mil throughout his career, I don't think he cares about making an extra $2-4 million. Hell, he may even want to retire since he'll be 36 by the time his contract is up. Kessel is competitive, but he doesn't strike me as a guy that wants to play until he can't. He's won his cups, he's had a great career and has nothing left to prove. If he does, he won't have an issue finding a contender willing to take a chance on him on a league min contract.

There are a lot of factors for a player, I personally wouldn't want to waive to San Jose/New Jersey if I had no intention of staying there. There's been quite a few players that have waived to Arizona throughout the years because it's a comfortable place to be near the end of their careers.

Neal is also an odd example, this was his first PTO after being bought out and he's been on the downswing for years.

 

[rt]

Did he not waive to Arizona in the first place, even when they were a bubble team at best? Kessel has made $90 mil throughout his career, I don't think he cares about making an extra $2-4 million. Hell, he may even want to retire since he'll be 36 by the time his contract is up. Kessel is competitive, but he doesn't strike me as a guy that wants to play until he can't. He's won his cups, he's had a great career and has nothing left to prove. If he does, he won't have an issue finding a contender willing to take a chance on him on a league min contract.

There are a lot of factors for a player, I personally wouldn't want to waive to San Jose/New Jersey if I had no intention of staying there. There's been quite a few players that have waived to Arizona throughout the years because it's a comfortable place to be near the end of their careers.

Rick Tocchet is Phil Kessel’s best friend. He has no interest in playing for Arizona and has asked for a trade.

 

[fasterthanlight]

What’s the plan up in San Jose? I can’t figure it out. Everyone knows what Arizona is doing. Everyone knows what Tampa is doing. But what are the Sharks doing?

DW, is that you?

 

[PAZ]

Rick Tocchet is Phil Kessel’s best friend. He has no interest in playing for Arizona and has asked for a trade.

Ah, ok that's a different story.

 

[Eggtimer]

Why would Kessel waive for 2 teams that have zero chance of making the playoffs? New Jersey and San Jose are going nowhere. Noway Kessel would waive for either.

I’m d say Devils chances of the playoffs are not that unrealistic . If they played in the Pacific I’d say they have a good chance.
Anyways , only real spot for him in the lineup is on the 3rd line with Mercer and Tatar and that wouldn’t be ideal . I don’t want Mercer to have a winter that isn’t really known for being overly defensively responsible. Kessel wouldn’t replace Sharangivich on the Hughes line and I’d rather have Bratt with Nico and Zacha .
Long story short , I don’t see a fit . Devils could use his goal scoring no doubt but I can’t see a logical place to put him in the lineup

 

[Eggtimer]

Yeah I was wondering why nobody was bringing this up. I can’t see Kessel waiving to be on a team that’s only marginally better.

Maybe for a contender (or borderline contender) or maybe a team closer to his family (which I think is in Wisconsin) but not for those two squads.

Am I missing something here ? Devils are now marginally better than the Coyotes current lineup ?

I wouldn’t give up Okhotiuk for one year of Kessel . I’d put Okhotiuk ahead of Bahl currently so no dice letting him go . Only thing I’d consider is Johnson for Kessel and no way the Coyotes would do that

 

[JoeSakic13]

Am I missing something here ? Devils are now marginally better than the Coyotes current lineup ?

Moving from bottom feeder to playoff hopeful isn’t a good reason to waive a NTC

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'd be totally fine with that from the perspective that it doesn't seem like Bednar/Sakic will actually give him a shot...Now if only we were actual GMs, haha

I think I'd actually rather move Kaut then Bowers... But really if Arizona insisted on Bowers I'd do that as well.


Problem for us is even Phil @50% retention, we cant really fit into the salary without sending some back.


Now if a 3rd team were to be involved.... Say Kessel to Colorado at $1.7M. Martin Kaut to Arizona. And a 2022 4th round pick to Detroit who retained 50% on Kessel as well. Not even sure if that's legal or not

 

[Forge]

Probably would do boqvist. Not sure I'd do okhotiuk

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Moving from bottom feeder to playoff hopeful isn’t a good reason to waive a NTC

When you factor in the fact that "playoff contenders" can't take the cap hit and that he's requested a trade. I'm pretty sure a playoff hopeful is as good as it's probably going to get for him. He'd be banking on the hope that adding himself into either of these teams rosters makes them a playoff team

 

[Nolan11]

I think I'd actually rather move Kaut then Bowers... But really if Arizona insisted on Bowers I'd do that as well.


Problem for us is even Phil @50% retention, we cant really fit into the salary without sending some back.


Now if a 3rd team were to be involved.... Say Kessel to Colorado at $1.7M. Martin Kaut to Arizona. And a 2022 4th round pick to Detroit who retained 50% on Kessel as well. Not even sure if that's legal or not

Pretty sure Kessel's cap hit was 8 M and there was retention down to 6.8. I don't believe a third team can retain so his lowest cap hit would be 3.4 M now.

Not interested in the OP, as I think we need to keep Coe. Would a decent defenseman in Simek plus a 4th liner in Nieto interest you for Kessel @ 3.4M? Simek makes 2.25 and is signed for two more years. Nieto 0.85 and signed for additional 1. Gives you decent roster players to play while you rebuild. Not exciting, I know.

If we did that, I'd run Kessel on our third line with Bonino and LaBanc.

 

[Syckle78]

It's really too bad the Toronto bridge is burned. He would be a great fit to boost their secondary scoring and would for a pretty good story if they had some success. They definitely wouldn't find better value at just over 3m.

 

[KovalSNIPE]

Even as Devils fan, and I'm surprised I'm thinking this, but I don't think we need him.

I truly believe we have something special in Sharangovich, Zacha is hitting his stride finally on wing, Bratt has the tools to be a star but needs consistency, and Kuokkanen is a top 6 two way stud in the making. He's the intelligent type who can play well on any line.

I think our guys will take that next step this year without a doubt. Why use assets for a player who's going to take ice time away from the guys we've spent so much time developing?

 

[rt]

Pretty sure Kessel's cap hit was 8 M and there was retention down to 6.8. I don't believe a third team can retain so his lowest cap hit would be 3.4 M now.

Not interested in the OP, as I think we need to keep Coe. Would a decent defenseman in Simek plus a 4th liner in Nieto interest you for Kessel @ 3.4M? Simek makes 2.25 and is signed for two more years. Nieto 0.85 and signed for additional 1. Gives you decent roster players to play while you rebuild. Not exciting, I know.

If we did that, I'd run Kessel on our third line with Bonino and LaBanc.

AZ can retain to 3.4.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Aren't teams only allowed to retain cap on 2 players at a time? Or was that abolished years ago?

Arizona is currently retaining on OEL and Kuemper.

Either way I'd love Phil in Ottawa for the year. What would be the asking price with no retention?

Edit: Teams can only carry a maximum of 3 Retained Salaries at a time., Not 2.