Ken Dryden vs. Dominik Hasek

Doctor No

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Then, you can also look at the back-up goalies behind Dryden: 'Bunny' Larocque went 96-18-18 during the years he backed-up Dryden. I repeat, the back-up goalie went 96-18-18 (!!!) for five seasons while backing-up Dryden. Now, sure, it was the 1970s and Larocque probably faced a lot of crappy teams,

That's an understatement.

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Larocque's average opponent was regularly between 0.36 goals/game and 0.61 goals/game below average - things didn't even get close to Dryden until even the latter's final year, but even then it was a significant difference between the schedules played by the two goalies - one of the larger starter/backup differences that I've seen across a single year, let alone one that persists across seasons.

Just look at Larocque's typical schedule:
 
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That's an understatement.

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Larocque's average opponent was regularly between 0.36 goals/game and 0.61 goals/game below average - things didn't even get close to Dryden until even the latter's final year, but even then it was a significant difference between the schedules played by the two goalies - one of the larger starter/backup differences that I've seen across a single year, let alone one that persists across seasons.

Just look at Larocque's typical schedule:
Right, agreed. And it wasn't like Larocque had a superb save percentage. During those 5 seasons he backed-up Dryden, Larocque had the 8th-best save percentage in the NHL of goalies who appeared in 50+ games (only 33 goalies played 100+ games that half-decade). That's quite good for the #2 goalie, but it's not amazing considering his fabulous team and the weak competition he faced... while Dryden had the #1 save percentage during that span.

Nevertheless, Larocque's being 8th best kind of underscores my point about Dryden's favorable position. As far as I can see, Larocque's save percentage is still better than any other back-up goalie in the NHL during that time.
 

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Hard to bet against Hasek in any goalie debate but I loved Dryden. He's in my personal Mt. Rushmore of NHL goaltenders for sure...

Hasek
Roy
Dryden
Brodeur
 

Zine

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Hasek and its not close.

Dryden had a giant weakness, his side-to-side movement.
It didn't hinder him much in the NHL because of the 1970s style of game, but he was regularly exposed when playing the Soviets’ east/west style.
Afaik, the Buffalo Sabres also drove Dryden crazy for the same reason.
 
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Hasek and Dryden are each a product of their times, just like today's goalies. Send a goalie from today back in time and nobody would score, that's how vast the evolution has been at the position. It's circular tho, you can say give the old players fancy sticks and skates, etc. So you can't just compare apples with apples between these two.

Hasek wasn't just acrobatic, athletic, but his was a style evolution in the sense that he worked with Corsi and his dmen to push shooters to seemingly attractive spots, which were really medium danger and fully in his wheelhouse. So, yes he played on a weak team in a loaded salary era, but they had an edge on other teams in their systems play which allowed them to level the playing field.

Dryden was also an evolution because shooters had never seen anyone that big be so quick on his feet. He was probably best on the ground, even tho he played mostly a standup style. Also, the 70s were a watered down expansion era and the Canadiens were a stacked team.

Today's goalies are another leap even from Hasek. They have to face 23 guys who can all shoot the puck with no release and get called garbage even if their defense gives up a barrage of high danger shots (we're currently in a high offense era). Most of these goalies today are stellar commpared to the proto guys.

In 20 years the position will evolve again and they'll come up with another way to cover the net or a system that will push shooters away from the high danger areas. Or the dmen will get bigger again and be even more athletic. Something new will happen, and those goalies will surpass Price, Shesterkin and whoever you currently have at the top of your list.

So, yes Hasek was better, but it's relative to era. That's how I see it.
 
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The ex-Tesla goalie wins this debate.

He's Top 4 all time
(Others are two goalies with Ukrainian names and a goaltender with a French name)
 

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