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Keep our pick at 9 or not?

Keep our pick at 9 or not

  • Keep

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Trade

    Votes: 35 92.1%
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allsilverdreams

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I feel shafted once again by the league. Falling 2 spots was a F ing crime. This draft could help us years down the road.
We need to trade #9 and any other pick that will get us a proven player. Stop playing around with the fans. Make a trade for a proven player with term.
 
What, trade the pick and let Adams miss out on drafting the next Quinn? Never.
 
Jacob582 said:
I'm ok trading the pick. But I never say: "they have to trade it".

Need a good trade first.
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This is the challenging part for me.

What trades are out there involving the pick?

I think fans think the pick is way more valuable from a trade perspective than it likely will be. That's why top 10 picks move in a trade for an NHL roster player so infrequently.

You need to find a rebuilding team, with a quality veteran they want to move, that vet has to fill a need, and the vet has to have no trade protection.

Having all those things align will be easier said than done, IMO.
 
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Push Dr Tracksuit said:
Norris and 9
Byrum and 9
Power and 9
Quinn and 9

1 of those has to return interesting value right?

Right?
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Who are you targeting with packages like those?

And one big challenge is that if they wanted to use Byrum & 9 to get a big, veteran RHD to pair with Power, is there a D like that on the trade block and without trade protection?

If you are offering up Norris & 9, you likely need a top line center. Availability and trade protection is likely an issue there, as well.

Quinn & 9 for a veteran middle 6 winger might be the most likely trade to get done. I just think that package doesn't get you the type of impact winger you would hope.
 
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Jim Bob said:
This is the challenging part for me.

What trades are out there involving the pick?

I think fans think the pick is way more valuable from a trade perspective than it likely will be. That's why top 10 picks move in a trade for an NHL roster player so infrequently.

You need to find a rebuilding team, with a quality veteran they want to move, that vet has to fill a need, and the vet has to have no trade protection.

Having all those things align will be easier said than done, IMO.
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And with the cap going up this year, there aren't going to be as many players becoming available for salary cap reasons. To some extent, the value of quality players will go up and the trade value of draft picks down.
 
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Jim Bob said:
Who are you targeting with packages like those?

And one big challenge is that if they wanted to use Byrum & 9 to get a big, veteran RHD to pair with Power, is there a D like that on the trade block and without trade protection?

If you are offering up Norris & 9, you likely need a top line center. Availability and trade protection is likely an issue there, as well.

Quinn & 9 for a veteran middle 6 winger might be the most likely trade to get done. I just think that package doesn't get you the type of impact winger you would hope.
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There is one other element to consider that wouldn't be known until on the draft floor as the 9th pick is on the clock - who if anyone may have fallen? And in that case, it's far more likely to be moving down a bit while picking up a mid player or a couple of other picks that then get used to a different team for a mid-tier player.

But then if that sort of player falls (say it's Hagens) would it be hard for them not to run to the podium to select him? I think they wouldn't move it because they have such a f***us on youth and commenting about "sustainability" which just smacks of a feeder line of cheap ELC's to save Terry money.

I would like them to trade the pick if they can find immediate help. I also wouldn't mind if they again look at slipping back a few and accumulating other picks to flip for other players. The downside is I don't think they have great or even good pro scouting nor Adams has a clear view of roles to fulfill so who knows what they might be looking at doing.

Another negative factor in all of this is how the cap expansion means teams will not be in as much of a bind to fit their own guys into the financial side. There is one less impeller to the process.
 
Chainshot said:
There is one other element to consider that wouldn't be known until on the draft floor as the 9th pick is on the clock - who if anyone may have fallen? And in that case, it's far more likely to be moving down a bit while picking up a mid player or a couple of other picks that then get used to a different team for a mid-tier player.

But then if that sort of player falls (say it's Hagens) would it be hard for them not to run to the podium to select him? I think they wouldn't move it because they have such a f***us on youth and commenting about "sustainability" which just smacks of a feeder line of cheap ELC's to save Terry money.

I would like them to trade the pick if they can find immediate help. I also wouldn't mind if they again look at slipping back a few and accumulating other picks to flip for other players. The downside is I don't think they have great or even good pro scouting nor Adams has a clear view of roles to fulfill so who knows what they might be looking at doing.

Another negative factor in all of this is how the cap expansion means teams will not be in as much of a bind to fit their own guys into the financial side. There is one less impeller to the process.
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Generally, these trades take place before the draft begins. I can't even remember the last time a top 10 NHL pick was moved in a deal involving a meaningful NHL roster player while the team that owned the pick was on the clock.

If they move the pick, it will be in the 48 to 72 hours before the draft begins in all likelihood.

And the last part is a huge reason why I do not expect Adams to get the kinds of offers involving the 9th pick that make sense to pull the trigger. There are not going to be a lot of quality top 4 RHD or top 6 forwards that are going to be on the trade block. And then you have to filter out all the guys that are in that bucket who have trade protection and will block a trade to Buffalo.

Peters pressing Rivet on whether Weegar would waive last week was interesting. In the past, Rivet was saying that Weegar would absolutely waive to come to Buffalo. It sounded like Rivet would need to put in work to get Weegar to waive now.
 
The Sabres have lots of assets to trade to upgrade the team, without moving #9. I think they are more in need of a few players who bring different elements (experience, toughness, defensive prowess), than they need “better”players. The reality is that any impact player they bring in will have a larger salary (at least $3.5 - $4 million AAV, minimum) and the Sabres are now in a cap position where a corresponding salary needs to go out. Trade Byram, move on from Samuelsson or Clifton, trade Quinn, trade Rosen. Trade our 2nd. Keep the pick. We need to stagger the ages of our kids coming.

Rust, Rakell, Rasmus Andersson, Cody Ceci, Mario Ferraro. I think this is the level of player we should be trying to add. Dahlin, Power, Thompson, Tuch, and Peterka are the stars (to varying degrees). It is time to support them with a veteran group that is sprinkled with youngsters, rather than a group of youngsters that is sprinkled with some vets.
 
I'd do 9th for Dobson (with contract) if they can simultaneously deal Byram or Power. Ideally I'd trade one of those two for Dobson.
 
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