Keep/Fire Drury and/or Laviolette

[The Crypto Guy]

No, no, no, no, DRURY f***ed it up. DRURY leaked it to Uncle Larry, which meant that Trouba got wind of the trade and immediately put Detroit (who he probably wouldn't have had on his NT list) on it to bar the trade from going forward.

I mean, that’s just speculation.

 

[Mike in Houston]

I mean, that’s just speculation.

Speculation is what is done the best on this board.

 

[Roo Returns]

Knicks are in a position for a good to great playoff run. Whether or not it's the equivalent of the late 80s/early 90s "Second Round Rangers" as I used to call them as a kid, is a different story.

This will keep Dolan happy.

Laviolette and either most or all of his staff is probably the casualty here. Drury has come off Eastern Conference Finals in two of the three previous years. Unless there's some Esposito/Bergeron or Smith/Muckler stuff going on, I think he gets one more coach.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Speculation is what is done the best on this board.

I’ll agree with you on that

 

[Boris Zubov]

No, no, no, no, DRURY f***ed it up. DRURY leaked it to Uncle Larry, which meant that Trouba got wind of the trade and immediately put Detroit (who he probably wouldn't have had on his NT list) on it to bar the trade from going forward.

I'm no Drury fan, but you're not using logic here. Why would he leak it to Uncle Larry when it would diminish his leverage in any potential deal?

Regardless, Larry basically confirmed on spitting chicklets that his info/source on that didn't come from the Rangers. The most reasonable assumption being it had to come from Tuba's agent once Drury approached his client about submitting the teams on his list early.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

This team is really trying harder than it ever has to lose me as a fan for good.

Firing Drury should be a no-brainer. If I performed at my job the way he has at his, I'd lose my job and be pushed down a flight of stairs by hired goons on my way out of the building.

 

[Rongomania]

 

[RangerBlues]

I never wanted Loviolette at all.
And everything Drury has touched has turned to shit.

 

[nyrage]

Drury has the charm of a outer solar system planet

You just insulted Miller's planet on Interstellar. I found those giant waves to be pretty charming.

Anyway, they both should be fired, but I fear that somehow Drury will escape accountability.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Drury is trying to “change the team” but every move he makes is one step forward, one step back.

Dumps Trouba and Goodrow, only to give Igor an absolutely horrific contract. On top of the Zibanejad whopper he takes full blame for.

Correctly identifies Lindgren needs to go, gets a good return, only to add Soucy to his collection of bottom pairing dmen.

Adds JT Miller for fair value as a “tone setting culture changer” then the player proceeds to shit his pants like the rest of the team.

This guy is painfully out of his depth. He has accomplished literally nothing on his own merit as an executive. The Nemeth situation and the Kane roster management fiasco were early signs, and looking back they somehow make Drury look even worse.

Too bad Dolan is equally inept. This is the instance where Dolan being “hands off” w the NYR is a bad thing. Gonna let this fester too long until we hit rock bottom which is still a few years away.

 

[Homelander]

I'm no Drury fan, but you're not using logic here. Why would he leak it to Uncle Larry when it would diminish his leverage in any potential deal?

Regardless, Larry basically confirmed on spitting chicklets that his info/source on that didn't come from the Rangers. The most reasonable assumption being it had to come from Tuba's agent once Drury approached his client about submitting the teams on his list early.

Why would he leak it to Uncle Larry? Why does anyone leak anything to any beat writers? You don't think GMs are in communication with journalists?

 

[Homelander]

Regardless, Larry basically confirmed on spitting chicklets that his info/source on that didn't come from the Rangers. The most reasonable assumption being it had to come from Tuba's agent once Drury approached his client about submitting the teams on his list early.

And speaking of lacking logic, THIS lacks logic considering Uncle Larry has had inside scoop on the Rangers for years (see Slap Shots) and not all of it comes from agents. Most of it comes within MSG.

And didn't Trouba admit that he heard about the trade from the media? So you're telling me that Trouba heard about the Detroit trade from Uncle Larry instead of his own agent?

Yeah, I don't buy that.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Why would he leak it to Uncle Larry? Why does anyone leak anything to any beat writers? You don't think GMs are in communication with journalists?

His agent leaking the story yielded the exact result he wanted...his client didn't want to leave over the summer & he got his way. It made no sense for the Rangers to give Brooks that info.

 

[Boris Zubov]

And speaking of lacking logic, THIS lacks logic considering Uncle Larry has had inside scoop on the Rangers for years (see Slap Shots) and not all of it comes from agents. Most of it comes within MSG.

And didn't Trouba admit that he heard about the trade from the media? So you're telling me that Trouba heard about the Detroit trade from Uncle Larry instead of his own agent?

Yeah, I don't buy that.

Buy what you want, but Larry has sources all over the league, not just from Rangers.

I get it, you hate Drury...you have every reason to, but the Trouba issue over the summer was all about entitled player who kicked & screamed until he got his way. What Drury did wrong back then was not threaten him with waivers like he did in December. Waiting to get rid of him basically nuked the season.

 

[Homelander]

His agent leaking the story yielded the exact result he wanted...his client didn't want to leave over the summer & he got his way. It made no sense for the Rangers to give Brooks that info.

How does that make any sense, Boris? Trouba had a limited NTC clause. He didn't have a say if he was traded to certain teams. They didn't need his permission.

What happened was this:

Drury worked out a trade with Detroit, believing that the Red Wings would not be on Trouba's NT list as he is from Michigan, went to college there, and grew up a Red Wings fan. Drury or someone in MSG then leaked the trade prematurely to Uncle Larry, who reported it in the Post. Trouba got wind of it, got spooked and put Detroit on his NT list and threatened that he wouldn't report to any team, whether it was on his list or not. Drury was caught with his pants down and went into the season with a disgruntled, unwanted captain.

If he had waited a few days, the trade would've happened because it is VERY LIKELY that Trouba wouldn't have had Detroit on his NT list and even if he didn't want to report there, it would've been Detroit's headache as the trade would've happened.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

His agent leaking the story yielded the exact result he wanted...his client didn't want to leave over the summer & he got his way. It made no sense for the Rangers to give Brooks that info.

The agents job is to protect the player. Detroit was on his no trade list. Drury leaked the wife stuff about his wife

 

[Boris Zubov]

How does that make any sense, Boris? Trouba had a limited NTC clause. He didn't have a say if he was traded to certain teams. They didn't need his permission.

What happened was this:

Drury worked out a trade with Detroit, believing that the Red Wings would not be on Trouba's NT list as he is from Michigan, went to college there, and grew up a Red Wings fan. Drury or someone in MSG then leaked the trade prematurely to Uncle Larry, who reported it in the Post. Trouba got wind of it, got spooked and put Detroit on his NT list and threatened that he wouldn't report to any team, whether it was on his list or not. Drury was caught with his pants down and went into the season with a disgruntled, unwanted captain.

If he had waited a few days, the trade would've happened because it is VERY LIKELY that Trouba wouldn't have had Detroit on his NT list and even if he didn't want to report there, it would've been Detroit's headache as the trade would've happened.

Pretty sure it was reported a week or so later that a Detroit deal was never close. At the time this all went down I was under the same impression you are about Drury botching this by leaking it to Brooks. I don't remember the specifics that came out, but it was obvious it wasn't the case, plus Brooks made it clear his info wasn't from the Rangers & it seemed genuine.

You don't need to agree or believe me, but know this, I'm no Drury apologist...As I posted to your other reply, he f***ed up royally by not shoving Tuba out the door in the summer using the same exact methodology he wound up using in December. He also f***ed up bringing Lindgren back & not pursuing a legit partner for Fox. However, I don't think he was to blame for Tuba & his agent running to the press to make the Rangers look bad because Tuba & his wife think they're special.

 

[Fataldogg]

I'd fire both. Drury was grossly incompetent in handling trades for this team and degrading locker room chemistry.

Laviolette needs to go simply because he could not get his team ready for a match. They were routinely outshot 15-5 in first periods of must win games.

I agree that the core is rotten, but you can't trade every player on the team. Its easier to replace the coach to try and mix things up. Problem is the core will likely get comfortable again at some point and regress.

And because of that I'd be open to moving several of the core pieces during the off season. Likely Kreider, Zibenejad, and Lafreniere.

 

[zlev]

the Kane roster management fiasco

should've got him fired on the spot. all of that for damaged goods, unbelievable.

 

[mrhockey193195]

This team is really trying harder than it ever has to lose me as a fan for good.

Firing Drury should be a no-brainer. If I performed at my job the way he has at his, I'd lose my job and be pushed down a flight of stairs by hired goons on my way out of the building.

Hired goons?

 

[mrhockey193195]

Let’s not overrate Sather either, the organizational problems today like player development, drafting, and cronies are because of him. I consider his tenure overall as a failure for the simple fact he never had a clear plan or idea in building a championship roster. He got lucky in drafting Lundqvist and trading for a Jagr for pennies on the dollar. He had too many mistakes in the Dark Ages that cost them dearly (03 Draft).

Sather as President of Hockey Ops was the perfect role. He flexed his Dolan-shielding powers but empowered his GM/other folks to make managerial and roster decisions.

 

[mrhockey193195]

He was one of the only guys in hockey, maybe the only guy in hockey, that had both the respect and balls to tell Dolan to f*** off. And he did. Slats had his faults, as all GMs do, but he pulled the trigger when it was the right time, and that's maybe the best quality a GM can have.

This was Sather’s super power. Plus, his ability to create an incredible culture within the organization (which was only possible thanks to his ability to keep Dolan at arms’ length).

 

[LionsHeart]

I feel like this whole organization needs a top down rebuild. A President of Hockey operations that understands how to build an organization, and a coach with newer ideas.

Instead it’ll be more Drury, and probably another coach off the NHL Coaching Carousel.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Hired goons?

A somewhat dated reference, I admit.

 

[mrhockey193195]

A somewhat dated reference, I admit.

Oh, I got the reference. I was responding in Homer's voice. "Hired goons?!?".