Proposal: Kane & Murphy to Toronto

[Rafafouille]

Lmao I wish the Leafs were that hilariously dumb. Marner is worth more than Kane let alone giving up all that on top of him.

 

[shortfuze]

Yeah no one want anyone from that toxic 2010 team. You can keep that pos

I’d take Kane any day on the leafs. Maybe he can show them some heart and how to play in the playoffs.

 

[seanlinden]

The concept of a Marner <-> Kane swap is interesting, but the value in the OP is ridiculously far off base.

If you wanted to make it a 1-for-1 swap, the Hawks are probably retaining on Kane by $1-2m, given that he's the short-sighted move with limited upside, whereas Marner, with 2 more years left on his deal.

It's debatable whether moving Marner for Kane makes the team better today in isolation, and I don't think $500k in salary difference goes far enough to justify giving up the long term Marner.

From there, figure out what's reasonable value for Conor Murphy... to me that's Justin Holl + a 2nd & 3rd kind of valuation.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

The leafs struggle is making it past the 1st round.
Patrick "playoff" Kane > Mitchell "Regular season" Marner

Playoff kane was over 7 years ago.

 

[FerrisRox]

Marner is 8 years younger, better defensively and put up more points last season.

Who was Kane's center again last year?

 

[bigbabybuda]

This post is a joke right?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Absolutely atrocious. Give your head a shake lol.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Wtf is this????
First given the allegations against the 2010 Blackhawks no chance the Leafs want anyone from that team.

2nd the difference between Marner and Kane isn’t our top prospect, 2 firsts and 2 2nds. Given their age I’d say Marner has more trade value despite his production in the playoffs the last 2 seasons.
Yes I know Connor Murphy is in there too but come on. 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and our top prospect.

3rd. Is the solution to our roster being 2 top heavy trading for an older player that also makes 10m?

Brutal poor thought out trade.

given Kane's past, these allegations are what you have a problem with?

but do agree this is massively bad for TOR. maybe take the picks out

 

[BrannigansLaw]

given Kane's past, these allegations are what you have a problem with?

but do agree this is massively bad for TOR. maybe take the picks out

I wouldn’t do Marner alone for both Kane and Murphy.

 

[DearDiary]

and he's still better than Marner

Kane is a pylon defensively. When you look at his offensive numbers you also have to subtract the goals against he was apart of

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I wouldn’t do Marner alone for both Kane and Murphy.

you should

Kane's 'game' ages gracefully. Leafs need a shakeup and Kane is a good get for them

 

[Leaf Fans]

you should

Kane's 'game' ages gracefully. Leafs need a shakeup and Kane is a good get for them

For sure,Kane is excellent. No where near worth Marner and two first round picks and the Leafs top prospect though.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

For sure,vOane is excellent. No where near worth Marner and two first round picks and the Leafs top prospect though.

absolutely agree. that prop is way off the mark

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

This is a troll post.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

Let me see if I can make a Marner to CHI work
Marner for DeBrincat+Kubalik?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

My wish is for the leafs to make it past the first round and I Genuinely think Kane will provide that.

I'd like them to make it past the 1st round too but not at the potential expense of getting any high end future help on elc's which would be solid gold for Toronto. They've squandered too much future potential already yet you have them doubling/tripling down on past mistakes/overvaluations. Let them prove they can close out a series or two and get close first.
Way too heavy a price for what currently is little more than a darkhorse to win a cup.

 

[Perennial]

I'll echo what others have already said and say that this isn't something I'd consider from Toronto's perspective... even without retention on Marner's contract

 

[Perennial]

If the Leafs wanted to move on from Marner, and Chicago was interested...

To Toronto: Kane (50% retained), Murphy

To Chicago: Marner


Even then, that seems a bit shortsighted given Marner's upside

 

[Quares27]

how are people actually falling for this lmao

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Wow this is a Hard no.

We are talking a Star player for a Star player that's almost a decade younger, PLUS arguably our best prospect, PLUS 2 1sts AND 2 2nds? AND Retention?? And all you adding in is Murphy?

Even putting Kane's character aside that's ridiculous. I honestly had though a Kane-Marner deal might make sense since Toronto is "going for it", but given the age difference and other issues i'd probably ask for an add to Kane or some retention...definitely not adding several parts

There is absolutely no debate, given the age differences Marner is the more valued trade commodity.

 

[cyris]

given Kane's past, these allegations are what you have a problem with?

but do agree this is massively bad for TOR. maybe take the picks out

Well the value in the proposal is completely ludicrous.
But besides that I want no part of Kane because of his roll in bullying a victim of sexual assault. Even tho he hasn’t been personally implicated as one of the players making homophobic comments he was part of the leadership group that allowed it to happen. Instead he has denied all knowledge of the situation despite other players saying everyone knew.

Now he has every right to continue his career without discipline as there has been no direct evidence of wrongdoing on his part. But that doesn’t mean I or the Leafs would want any part of his services.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Lol nooo

 

[Ciao]

Kane is better than Marner. Age is redundant here, guys like Ovechkin are leading the league in points.

No, age is never "redundant." I think you're confusing redundancy and relevance.

It would be good to know what the words you use actually mean. That would give your argument a bit more weight.

If you meant to say that age is not relevant here, then you're still mistaken. While age is just not capable of being redundant, it is always relevant.

Offering a 22 year old Marmer plus plus for a 32year old Kane is a non-starter for the Leafs. Switch the ages and that changes things around.

No thanks from this Leafs' fan.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Well the value in the proposal is completely ludicrous.
But besides that I want no part of Kane because of his roll in bullying a victim of sexual assault. Even tho he hasn’t been personally implicated as one of the players making homophobic comments he was part of the leadership group that allowed it to happen. Instead he has denied all knowledge of the situation despite other players saying everyone knew.

Now he has every right to continue his career without discipline as there has been no direct evidence of wrongdoing on his part. But that doesn’t mean I or the Leafs would want any part of his services.

Kane has never shown any hints of having positive character, so that shouldn't be surprising lol

but talent wise, it would be a good get for TOR and would add a guy that's been there, done that

 

[Unbiased Fan]

and he's still better than Marner

Is he better then Marner? Slightly. Marner has 6-10 good years left. Kane has 2-3 years before retirement