TSN: Kadri: "The confidence is there"

[Hockey Talker29]

If Kadri can't score in Babcock's system .... he needs to be (1) traded or (2) take a paycut to 2-3 million.
I'd like to keep him but I want short term.
I think there is little chance of him being a 5-6 mil guy ever.

Isn't he playing against better players this year ? vs. last year ?

Yes he is playing against better players. And he's outplaying them.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

For everyone saying that Kadri is worth $2m-$3m...

Have you even looked at what players who produce like him get paid?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Yes he is playing against better players. And he's outplaying them.

Obviously not on the scoresheet.
Stats please ?

I see Kadri as a #3C so far.
I'd love him to be more.

I dont care if he makes 4-5, but only on a short deal. max 2 years.

 

[Duckrider]

You are right he should not be paid for potential. He has had a 50 point season 2 years ago. Last year the entire team played like crap, wouldn't even count it. And I will say again he is the best C we have in the NHL right now. IF he were to get 40-45 points this year playing up a line I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he got 4.5-4.7 for 8. If it was more per I'd be inclined to have les years.

 

[Duckrider]

Obviously not on the scoresheet.
Stats please ?

I see Kadri as a #3C so far.
I'd love him to be more.

I dont care if he makes 4-5, but only on a short deal. max 2 years.

That short of a contract isnt good for the team. More bad asset management.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

For everyone saying that Kadri is worth $2m-$3m...

Have you even looked at what players who produce like him get paid?

You mean one goal in 81 shots ? (just kidding).

I'll pay 5 per for a 2 year deal.

He's a 3C on a Cup team to me.
I can't pay 5 mil for a 3C.
I dont have the cap space for that.

I like Kadri .... but he has to produce to get paid.
ie. Score goals.
or else he's a 3C.

He's been give the chance this year and he's not scoring.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

That short of a contract isnt good for the team. More bad asset management.

That's only true if you really want him.
I think he's a 3C max and I can't pay 5 per for a 3C.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

IF he were to get 40-45 points this year playing up a line

You think Kadri will get 45 points ?
Nevermind Points as well.
I want goals.

Kadri still has time this year to turn things around.
But I don't think he has much finish.

 

[Hockey Talker29]

You mean one goal in 81 shots ? (just kidding).

I'll pay 5 per for a 2 year deal.

He's a 3C on a Cup team to me.
I can't pay 5 mil for a 3C.
I dont have the cap space for that.

I like Kadri .... but he has to produce to get paid.
ie. Score goals.
or else he's a 3C.

He's been give the chance this year and he's not scoring.

Do you make all of your decisions based on 20 game sample sizes?

 

[zeke]

You think Kadri will get 45 points ?
Nevermind Points as well.
I want goals.

let's make a deal.

If Kadri gets above....say a 20gl/50pt pace....will you apologize and agree to start praising him?

 

[Bluelines]

For everyone saying that Kadri is worth $2m-$3m...

Have you even looked at what players who produce like him get paid?

1 goal over 80 shots... 2 to 3 million

 

[Bluelines]

If Kadri can't score in Babcock's system .... he needs to be (1) traded or (2) take a paycut to 2-3 million.
I'd like to keep him but I want short term.
I think there is little chance of him being a 5-6 mil guy ever.

Isn't he playing against better players this year ? vs. last year ?

I'd say he is playing vs harder opponents but that is an anecdotal opinion at best . Is he playing better? It depends on what the measuring stick is on what constitutes "better". IMO, yes he is is definitely playing better but he is producing much poorer.

He has not yet discovered that fine line that effective top line centers need to play between defending and attacking.

 

[zeke]

I'd say he is playing vs harder opponents but that is an anecdotal opinion at best . Is he playing better? It depends on what the measuring stick is on what constitutes "better". IMO, yes he is is definitely playing better but he is producing much poorer.

He has not yet discovered that fine line that effective top line centers need to play between defending and attacking.

over 4 shots per game is a crapton of attacking.

 

[91Kadri91*]

In looking at SportlogIQ data for any more nuanced reasons for the dip, we can assess the fact that of Kadri’s 81 shots, nine have come from the low slot high danger area for goal scoring, eight have come from the high slot, and a further 19 have come from the medium danger zone that extends from the goal crease to the faceoff dots and top of the circles. That would account for 36 of his 81 shots on goal (44 per cent) as either high or medium danger attempts.

It seems unlikely that his shot locations are the issue, as the average NHL shooter will score on over 10 per cent of their shots from those locations — which means we would expect Kadri to have generated at least three more goals from his shot selection alone. So the issue at hand probably isn’t where Kadri is shooting from, but there might be other factors to consider.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/why-maple-leafs-nazem-kadri-has-struggled-to-score/

 

[champs*]

kadri must have a lot of assists off all those shots?

 

[crawz87]

SCOREDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdd.

 

[BorntoLose]

finally scores. hopefully the curse is lifted and he gets hot for a bit

 

[The Apologist]

Glad to see him get one.

 

[ULF_55]

That was nice to see.

I think everyone was happy.

Bozak and him had bro moment at the bench.

 

[MJ65]

That was nice to see.

I think everyone was happy.

Bozak and him had bro moment at the bench.

It's a culture - nice to see they are playing like a team and working hard

 

[Trapper]

Do you make all of your decisions based on 20 game sample sizes?

We have to see how the year plays out.
Brian Little is a career .63 PPG. Cap hit 4.7/year.
Kadri is currently a .60 PPG. I think this is a good comparable. I'd avoid the 5 million mark at this time but the year isn't over.

 

[Durrr]

Obviously not on the scoresheet.
Stats please ?

I see Kadri as a #3C so far.
I'd love him to be more.

I dont care if he makes 4-5, but only on a short deal. max 2 years.

Since breaking into the NHL full-time, Kadri ranks 34th in center scoring. Think the lockout was a fluke? Remove it and he's 44th.

"3rd line center", there are your stats.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

let's make a deal.

If Kadri gets above....say a 20gl/50pt pace....will you apologize and agree to start praising him?

In a heartbeat

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Since breaking into the NHL full-time, Kadri ranks 34th in center scoring. Think the lockout was a fluke? Remove it and he's 44th.

"3rd line center", there are your stats.

Ok 3C was probably just hyperbole

He's on a one year deal. He's trying to perform but it's not happening. What does Babcock conclude ?

 

[The Examiner]

Ok 3C was probably just hyperbole

He's on a one year deal. He's trying to perform but it's not happening. What does Babcock conclude ?

I don't think you're too far off. Having Nylander and Marner on this team could very well render Kadri a 3rd line centre. I would be ecstatic if Kadri became a defensively responsible third line centre on this team. It would mean the Leafs have some depth at forward.

Unless you're just talking about points, I don't necessarily think Kadri isn't producing. He's drawing penalties, working hard, and has improved on the draws. Babcock might not like his point production but it seems that Kadri is doing what is being asked. Everybody is talking about how he's taking low % shots but isn't that what Babcock is asking him to do?

I hope he has his confidence back as him scoring will make this team, that's playing well, that much more dangerous.