Proposal: Kadri for Hanzal

[schenneuf]

Hypothetical: Arizona gets Kadri, Toronto gets Hanzal. The Coyotes get Kadri for the prime of his career on a long-term contract. He's younger, cheaper and healthier than Hanzal, who is no guarantee to re-sign with them.

Hanzal is a 29-year-old pending UFA who's often-injured, but he's a big shutdown C to slot behind Matthews as the unquestioned 2C. He brings size, defense and experience. Philosophically, I prefer Hanzal for Toronto. I think he would be that Brind'Amour/Holik-type who can mentor Matthews. I don't see it as a win-now move for Toronto; if you re-sign Hanzal for 5 years, both he and Kadri would expire at the same time, and imo Hanzal would still be effective for the duration of his contract.

If this fair?

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[Leafidelity]

Why does Toronto need a 29 year old pending UFA?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Too old
Too injury prone
Too close to the end of his contract

Next.

 

[ck26]

Odd proposal given that ARZ and TOR are both really bad.

 

[russ4king]

So dumb. No need to trade Kadri for him. If they want him...just sign him next summer to be their 3C. Or just stay put and ride Bozak another year.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

He's younger, cheaper and healthier than Hanzal, who is no guarantee to re-sign with them.

You make a compelling argument for Toronto to do this.

 

[Liferleafer]

Hypothetical: Arizona gets Kadri, Toronto gets Hanzal. The Coyotes get Kadri for the prime of his career on a long-term contract. He's younger, cheaper and healthier than Hanzal, who is no guarantee to re-sign with them.

Hanzal is a 29-year-old pending UFA who's often-injured, but he's a big shutdown C to slot behind Matthews as the unquestioned 2C. He brings size, defense and experience. Philosophically, I prefer Hanzal for Toronto. I think he would be that Brind'Amour/Holik-type who can mentor Matthews. I don't see it as a win-now move for Toronto; if you re-sign Hanzal for 5 years, both he and Kadri would expire at the same time, and imo Hanzal would still be effective for the duration of his contract.

If this fair?

Umm...how about no.

 

[Magic Man]

I'd just wait and see if they can get Marty in FA next year. Kadri is in er for the long haul.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Just doesn't make sense at all for Toronto, especially when they can just sign Hanzal soon enough, as stated many times before.

Maybe if Toronto was a win now team and needed a big guy like Hanzal in the playoffs to play against the bigger and nastier centers?

Even then, most of those guys are in the west.

 

[Canada4Gold]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2141181

and it didn't go anywhere then either because the contract situations makes this terrible for Toronto.

The sad part is you knew Hanzal was a pending UFA and you still proposed this. You must really hate Kadri

 

[rt]

Arizona says yes. Obviously. Hanzal is certainly more unique but his contract status makes this a clear green light from an AZ perspective. Toronto wouldn't consider this.

 

[zar]

After last night's game... keep Kadri out of the West!

 

[xxxx]

a good and still young player for a worse 29 old player that will turn UFA. Seems fair.

 

[maplejays62]

Hypothetical: Arizona gets Kadri, Toronto gets Hanzal. The Coyotes get Kadri for the prime of his career on a long-term contract. He's younger, cheaper and healthier than Hanzal, who is no guarantee to re-sign with them.

Hanzal is a 29-year-old pending UFA who's often-injured, but he's a big shutdown C to slot behind Matthews as the unquestioned 2C. He brings size, defense and experience. Philosophically, I prefer Hanzal for Toronto. I think he would be that Brind'Amour/Holik-type who can mentor Matthews. I don't see it as a win-now move for Toronto; if you re-sign Hanzal for 5 years, both he and Kadri would expire at the same time, and imo Hanzal would still be effective for the duration of his contract.

If this fair?

I can't believe this! it looks like your a Leafs fan and you make a ridiculous offer like this? Kadri is entering the prime of his career and Hanzal is older. Isn't Hanzal hurt as we speak? Imagine if the Leafs did this trade. they wouldn't have Kadri or Hanzal at the moment. Really bad offer.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I can't believe this! it looks like your a Leafs fan and you make a ridiculous offer like this? Kadri is entering the prime of his career and Hanzal is older. Isn't Hanzal hurt as we speak? Imagine if the Leafs did this trade. they wouldn't have Kadri or Hanzal at the moment. Really bad offer.

IIRC he's been going crazy on our board wanting to fire Babcock and trade everyone. Basically this is the fans people talk about when they say they can't handle a rebuild. First year with talent in the NHL and wants to trade half the team when they don't set the world on fire right away.

 

[Walshy7]

IIRC he's been going crazy on our board wanting to fire Babcock and trade everyone. Basically this is the fans people talk about when they say they can't handle a rebuild. First year with talent in the NHL and wants to trade half the team when they don't set the world on fire right away.

yep that is him, also started a thread about the need for a defensive dman and used examples of hypothetical players to prove advanced stats suck.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Hanzal is the exact type of player that Toronto should be going after. But considering his contract and injury history, Kadri isn't the right piece to be offering.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Hanzal is the exact type of player that Toronto should be going after. But considering his contract and injury history, Kadri isn't the right piece to be offering.

Not sure I agree. We don't have the room for him. Aquiring him means we need to move another piece. So unless they want to take the players we don't want (Holland, Smith, etc) it doesn't make sense. We also don't want to trade picks for him.

Honestly forwards have been the least of our issues, and is the strength of the rebuild so far. If he was a D who could play top pair or even 2nd pairing with solid shutdown ability then yes it makes too much sense.

 

[Morgs]

What a joke.

If you seriously think Hanzal is worth Kadri you need to watch a few Leaf games.

 

[Community]

Hanzal is the exact type of player that Toronto should be going after. But considering his contract and injury history, Kadri isn't the right piece to be offering.

Nope. A younger hossa makes more sense if we were looking to add to our offense (Great 2-way winger with experience). Acquiring a guy like Hossa without giving up assets made a big difference for Chicago and could help us in a similar way... Not saying he has to be as good as Hossa, but a strong 2-way player that we can add to our top 6 is much more important than an injury riddled 2-way/defensive center.

Our future centers are pretty set right now in most people's eyes and make a very strong 1-2-3 punch:
Matthews
Nylander
Kadri

 

[AvroArrow]

classic schenneuf

 

[Menzinger]

Hate this for the leafs

 

[Mitchy]

Yeah, the Leafs are going to trade Kadri just a few months after signing him to a 6 year contract for an older, inferior player.

 

[DarthProbert]

The fact that Hanzal's on an expiring contract is why he's better for Arizona than Kadri. AZ has centers coming up, don't need Kadri getting in the way long-term. Trade Hanzal as a rental at the deadline for a pick, walk away.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Hypothetical: Arizona gets Kadri, Toronto gets Hanzal. The Coyotes get Kadri for the prime of his career on a long-term contract. He's younger, cheaper and healthier than Hanzal, who is no guarantee to re-sign with them.

Hanzal is a 29-year-old pending UFA who's often-injured, but he's a big shutdown C to slot behind Matthews as the unquestioned 2C. He brings size, defense and experience. Philosophically, I prefer Hanzal for Toronto. I think he would be that Brind'Amour/Holik-type who can mentor Matthews. I don't see it as a win-now move for Toronto; if you re-sign Hanzal for 5 years, both he and Kadri would expire at the same time, and imo Hanzal would still be effective for the duration of his contract.

If this fair?

What about Plekanec then? He's not as often injured as Hanzal, but he's a great shutdown C?

I would do Plekanec (~1m retained)+ for Kadri.