Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[n8]

Still getting a kick out of this.

What was the original quote?

 

[will1066]

What was the original quote?

It was his rookie year iirc and he had a day off in NYC and said, "Wow, it's a nice city."

EDIT:



lol I can't

 

[Kupo]

i responded to that. and you're just deluding yourself if you think there wasn't a deal before this year or before last year. he had 1 season of production in 5 years. guys would absolutely take a 4-6year deal at lower AAV to lock in life changing money. it happens every year.

if you want to tell yourself it wasn't an option because you were yelling he sucked because you didn't see the talent

No, I don't believe there was a deal in place, simply because of the lack of cap space we had available. I also don't believe the Rangers had any interest in offering him an extended deal. Brodzinski was more productive than KK last year. Drury did the right thing and offered him a 1 year, show me deal and Kakko has stepped it up. It made no sense for us, nor Kakko to commit to a longterm deal.

 

[noncents]

No, I don't believe there was a deal in place, simply because of the lack of cap space we had available. I also don't believe the Rangers had any interest in offering him an extended deal. Brodzinski was more productive than KK last year. Drury did the right thing and offered him a 1 year, show me deal and Kakko has stepped it up. It made no sense for us, nor Kakko to commit to a longterm deal.

i didn't say deal in place. i say an opportunity to sign a deal that made sense for both sides.

why didn't it make sense for us?


oh i see where you said it: "brodz was more productive"

your problem there is that you're basing your understanding of a hockey players value on results rather than process.

 

[Kupo]

i didn't say deal in place. i say an opportunity to sign a deal that made sense for both sides.

why didn't it make sense for us?

What deal made sense for us, and KK?

 

[noncents]

What deal made sense for us, and KK?

a longer term deal extending into UFA years at a modest cap hit, providing security for a player who had shown very little in the way of production and for a team looking at a tight cap sheet.

with what cap space? lindgrens, and smiths.

 

[Kupo]

a longer term deal extending into UFA years at a modest cap hit, providing security for a player who had shown very little in the way of production and for a team looking at a tight cap sheet.

with what cap space? lindgrens, and smiths.

Show me a contract extension that made sense for both of us.

 

[noncents]

Show me a contract extension that made sense for both of us.

newhook deal, give or take 300k

 

[CTRanger]

There will be a long term extension this summer or sooner that makes sense for both of parties. IMO Drury did the right thing last summer. Kakko needed to show more for a long term deal. He still won’t get crazy money, I’d bet both sides will be happy with it, and so will the fans.

 

[noncents]

There will be a long term extension this summer or sooner that makes sense for both of parties. IMO Drury did the right thing last summer. Kakko needed to show more for a long term deal. He still won’t get crazy money, I’d bet both sides will be happy with it, and so will the fans.

i think fans will turn on him the instant he goes 3 games without a point

 

[Kupo]

newhook deal, give or take 300k

Kakko re-upped for 1 year/2.4M. Newhook 2.9 X 4. 1/2M extra doesn't buy you 3 additional years. That contract makes sense for us, but not for him. Adding 300k? 3.2M per. I still don't see that making sense for Kakko. He'll get more than that if he continues at this pace.

Again, extensions have to mutually make sense. Some people here think we could have locked up Laf for 7 years in the 5M range. Those are the same people who live in fantasy land. You think the Habs are satisfied with Newhook right now? We're 1/4 into the season and he has 4 points - all goals. The fanbase wants to see him benched. Not all extensions work. Look at Dubois. 8.5M per until 2030. Woof.

I do agree, and would like to see us try and lock up our young talent earlier than we have. But there are restrictions, mostly self imposed that prevent us from doing so. A 1 year deal made sense for us and Kakko. If he keeps this up, pay the kid. I've never wanted him gone. He'll probably never live up to his draft pick but that doesn't mean he can't be a successful NHL player that helps us win.

 

[McRanger92]

I genuinely believe the Rangers have tapped into something with Kaapo Barkov

 

[noncents]

Kakko re-upped for 1 year/2.4M. Newhook 2.9 X 4. 1/2M extra doesn't buy you 3 additional years. That contract makes sense for us, but not for him. Adding 300k? 3.2M per. I still don't see that making sense for Kakko. He'll get more than that if he continues at this pace.

Again, extensions have to mutually make sense. Some people here think we could have locked up Laf for 7 years in the 5M range. Those are the same people who live in fantasy land. You think the Habs are satisfied with Newhook right now? We're 1/4 into the season and he has 4 points - all goals. The fanbase wants to see him benched. Not all extensions work. Look at Dubois. 8.5M per until 2030. Woof.

I do agree, and would like to see us try and lock up our young talent earlier than we have. But there are restrictions, mostly self imposed that prevent us from doing so. A 1 year deal made sense for us and Kakko. If he keeps this up, pay the kid. I've never wanted him gone. He'll probably never live up to his draft pick but that doesn't mean he can't be a successful NHL player that helps us win.

you are deciding, out of nowhere, that you know what Kakko would or wouldn't have accepted. saying "that doesn't make sense for him" 5x3.25 is life changing money for a player coming off a bad year with an injury. i say he would have taken it. we're not gm or player, so it means absolutely squat.


the point you're missing is where you say "he'll get more than that if he continues at this pace." you're still just looking at results.

myself and a few others looked at kakkos season in the context of his career abd said: This is an undervalued player. This is a player primed to put it together. This is a player who should be signed longterm at a discount and be a core piece.

Most others said "meh." Many said "no way he sucks sell him for pennies i eat lead paint chips!"

I am vindicated in my position.

 

[Kupo]

you are deciding, out of nowhere, that you know what Kakko would or wouldn't have accepted. saying "that doesn't make sense for him" 5x3.25 is life changing money for a player coming off a bad year with an injury. i say he would have taken it.

You did exactly what I did, and that's assume. We can agree to disagree.

 

[noncents]

You did exactly what I did, and that's assume. We can agree to disagree.

i pressed send before finishing my message. We're both assuming what could have happened. This discussion is who in hindsight was right about saying what *should* have happened (or at least been attempted).

 

[SnowblindNYR]

i pressed send before finishing my message. We're both assuming what could have happened. This discussion is who in hindsight was right about saying what *should* have happened (or at least been attempted).

In this hindsight though? If Kakko had another shitty season would you telling the world you wanted him extended last year?

 

[noncents]

In this hindsight though? If Kakko had another shitty season would you telling the world you wanted him extended last year?

buddy it's not hindsight when i was saying this shit before last season.

if he sucked now i would be up here saying "man was i wrong i had him primed for breakout good thing they don't listen to me"

 

[Evilo]

Kakko is now 6th among NYR forwards in points. And only 8th in icetime.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I genuinely believe the Rangers have tapped into something with Kaapo Barkov

Next, move Laf to center and suddenly we are strong down the middle!

 

[deathb4disco]

Next, move Laf to center and suddenly we are strong down the middle!

I thought the same thing lol he has the skill set, Gretzky at the draft said he could do it, Messier was a wing for his 1st couple of years.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I think Kakko knows he's getting maybe his first real opportunity here right now. Being asked to move to center is a big ask. I think he was excited to be rewarded with something, given a chance to have a real impactful role. And I think there's aspects of center that fit with him too, that I've said for a long time, since we drafted him. But I really get the sense this is about Kakko finally excited, with some encouragement behind him, not afraid to fail and get shuffled back into the deck. JMHO. Hope it continues and if it's at center, all the better. We're suddenly very short on those.

 

[Levitate]

Kakko suddenly developing into a top six center would be hilarious

 

[bhamill]

you are deciding, out of nowhere, that you know what Kakko would or wouldn't have accepted. saying "that doesn't make sense for him" 5x3.25 is life changing money for a player coming off a bad year with an injury. i say he would have taken it. we're not gm or player, so it means absolutely squat.


the point you're missing is where you say "he'll get more than that if he continues at this pace." you're still just looking at results.

myself and a few others looked at kakkos season in the context of his career abd said: This is an undervalued player. This is a player primed to put it together. This is a player who should be signed longterm at a discount and be a core piece.

Most others said "meh." Many said "no way he sucks sell him for pennies i eat lead paint chips!"

I am vindicated in my position.

Here’s another opinion: any player who would have taken the deal you proposed only 500k more a season for four extra seasons certainly doesn’t believe in himself. And a player who doesn't believe in himself was not likely to have the rebound season Kakko has been having. Yes, that would have been a great deal for us IF he was to still have taken this step… I just think the chances of a player coming off a bad injury season who doesn’t believe in himself taking that big step are pretty abysmal.

 

[noncents]

Here’s another opinion: any player who would have taken the deal you proposed only 500k more a season for four extra seasons certainly doesn’t believe in himself. And a player who doesn't believe in himself was not likely to have the rebound season Kakko has been having. Yes, that would have been a great deal for us IF he was to still have taken this step… I just think the chances of a player coming off a bad injury season who doesn’t believe in himself taking that big step are pretty abysmal.

don't know what this quasi logic is but i don't really agree.

 

[Kupo]

don't know what this quasi logic is but i don't really agree.

That’s because you’re hellbent on believing your bullshit.