Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

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Levitate

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Being in his D+4 is irrelevant. He is only 21 years old! If people can't see this kids potential and skillset, I really have lost hope.
Look at a kid like Tage Thomspon. He's 25 and it took him until his D+5 season to start putting up points. Was he a bad player earlier or does it take time to develop? Not every player comes into the NHL ready to break out.
Tage Thompson wasn't a 2nd overall pick with higher expectations on him. Beyond that, it's also still pretty unusual for a 25 year old to break out the way he has. Pinning our hopes on the same thing happening with Kakko isn't a great thing.

That said I'm also not giving up on Kakko as I think his growth in this league has been stunted by the role and responsibilities placed on him compared to other top picks. I think he'll have a solid year if the coach will leave him in the spot he is in now.
 

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Being in his D+4 is irrelevant. He is only 21 years old! If people can't see this kids potential and skillset, I really have lost hope.
Look at a kid like Tage Thomspon. He's 25 and it took him until his D+5 season to start putting up points. Was he a bad player earlier or does it take time to develop? Not every player comes into the NHL ready to break out.

I don't think it's "irrelevant," but it's certainly not determinative.

To be clear, not only am I not running Kakko out of town, I want him here his whole career. I'm pulling for him. I'm not trading him if I'm not getting back, like, Nathan MacKinnon.
 

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Look, you can laugh all you want about it.

Kakko always has and does have all the tools, the brains, the size, the strength to become an absolute monster in this league for a long time. His game isn't dependent on depreciating qualities that Hughes has as they age.

Kakko is going to fill out and his legs and hips are going to be damn near impossible for midgets like Hughes to knock him off the puck.

Hughes has hands and he's fast, I'll grant him that. But every mother f***er coming out of every draft in every round has that these days. Not every one has the package Kakko does.

The pundits, who generally always talk out their ass, said Kakko would be the one more ready while Hughes develops but it's ALWAYS the opposite way around with these two types of players. The guy with the frame always needs more time to fill it out. The small fast guy is always the small fast guy until his body breaks down and then he's just the small guy. Guys like Kakko once they fill out can play the game a long time like Jagr, Malkin, Nash...

Don't agree, that's fine. I believe, and always have, even before the draft, that Kakko in his mid to late 20s will be the better player and then in their 30s will be the one continuing his career as the smaller guy phases out because his legs aren't what they were.

Kakko's issues right now are a dipshit coach who prioritizes the scrubs that remind him of his scrub self over high draft picks, and he's been incredibly unlucky with his shots hitting every molecule and atom on their way to the net.

No fault of their own, I know people these days want instant gratification, but look out a few years. Kakko's ability to handle and control the puck by a Rangers pick down low hasn't been seen since Kovalev. This kid is going to be a beast once his face pubes start growing and he becomes a man. Hughes will always be a scrawny little bitch even after his speed stops being his biggest weapon.
 

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Also, this debate reminds me of when the Rangers took Kreider. We had to wait for him to fill out and reach his prime. Where are the other players everyone wanted instead of him? A lot of them fizzled out. Kreider as much as he passes me off at times, will continue to be an effective player after most of those other guys moved on.
 

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This thread is getting weird again. Watch the games. When he is on the ice, he is our best player. He's fine. Points will come. Especially if our idiot coaches realize he should get more PP and PK minutes.
If I were a defender I'd be embarrassed of myself the way he makes them look when he's got the puck down low.

When this kid puts on another 10+ lbs as he fills out and gains more man strength, he's going to be a bully. And then the Ivan Drago memes will really be accurate.
 

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Also, this debate reminds me of when the Rangers took Kreider. We had to wait for him to fill out and reach his prime. Where are the other players everyone wanted instead of him? A lot of them fizzled out. Kreider as much as he passes me off at times, will continue to be an effective player after most of those other guys moved on.
I was a big time Jordan Schroeder guy that year. Not afraid to admit it.
 

egelband

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Look, you can laugh all you want about it.

Kakko always has and does have all the tools, the brains, the size, the strength to become an absolute monster in this league for a long time. His game isn't dependent on depreciating qualities that Hughes has as they age.

Kakko is going to fill out and his legs and hips are going to be damn near impossible for midgets like Hughes to knock him off the puck.

Hughes has hands and he's fast, I'll grant him that. But every mother f***er coming out of every draft in every round has that these days. Not every one has the package Kakko does.

The pundits, who generally always talk out their ass, said Kakko would be the one more ready while Hughes develops but it's ALWAYS the opposite way around with these two types of players. The guy with the frame always needs more time to fill it out. The small fast guy is always the small fast guy until his body breaks down and then he's just the small guy. Guys like Kakko once they fill out can play the game a long time like Jagr, Malkin, Nash...

Don't agree, that's fine. I believe, and always have, even before the draft, that Kakko in his mid to late 20s will be the better player and then in their 30s will be the one continuing his career as the smaller guy phases out because his legs aren't what they were.

Kakko's issues right now are a dipshit coach who prioritizes the scrubs that remind him of his scrub self over high draft picks, and he's been incredibly unlucky with his shots hitting every molecule and atom on their way to the net.

No fault of their own, I know people these days want instant gratification, but look out a few years. Kakko's ability to handle and control the puck by a Rangers pick down low hasn't been seen since Kovalev. This kid is going to be a beast once his face pubes start growing and he becomes a man. Hughes will always be a scrawny little bitch even after his speed stops being his biggest weapon.
I think you’re devaluing Hughes smarts but I agree with you on the Kakko part.
 

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Also, this debate reminds me of when the Rangers took Kreider. We had to wait for him to fill out and reach his prime. Where are the other players everyone wanted instead of him? A lot of them fizzled out. Kreider as much as he passes me off at times, will continue to be an effective player after most of those other guys moved on.
Yes and no. I always felt the Rangers screwed up on Kreider, but somehow it still worked out. He looked dominant that first playoff, then he couldn't get in the lineup the next season because Tortorella wanted him to "earn it" and focus on his defense (despite the fact the 2013 had NO secondary scoring, which is why they split up Nash-Richards-Gaborik which was fire to open the season) - and this with both Zuccarello and Kreider unable to crack the lineup.

IMO, CK's confidence took a huge hit that year, and I believe that set his development back a ways, although at least AV had the sense to leave him in the lineup in 2014 and at least get him back on the right track again.
 

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If Kakko was in his D+4 season and was approaching his mid-20's I'd be worried. He's 21

Kakko to me looks like a prototypical late bloomer. Especially late because he joined a playoff team.

Will he ever live up to his pre-draft hype? I think at this point it's safe to say no, but I'd wager money on him becoming at least a player of Buchnevich's caliber in 2-3 years. He's already a bull at 205lbs and will only get stronger and his confidence will keep growing
Ive said it for almost a year, you're looking at val nuchushkin if things go right. Nuke is a great player but at 2oa you expect better. It is what it is though.
 

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“Sometimes you have luck with you and sometimes not, that’s hockey,” Kakko said on Wednesday before he scored the opening goal in the Rangers’ 5-1 win over Vegas, his first in nine games. “I just try to not think about that, think about the next game, the next chance. It’s all I can do.”
“It’s better if no one is saying anything,” he said. “I know what’s happening, I know I’m still getting chances so no one has to say it for me, ‘Shoot the puck it will go in.’ I know this. (Hitting all those posts) is not the thing you want to be best in the league at. You can be the guy who’s thinking, ‘Oh, I should have scored all those goals,’ or you can be the guy that’s thinking, ‘It’s going to change.’ I try to be that (second) guy. I know it’s gonna change.

Great attitude.
 

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Kakko has some good skills but when he was playing 3 on 3 in OT vs. Avs his issues became apparent. He is a mediocre skater and a big liability in a 3 on 3 situation. In addition to his pedestrian skating pace he can't keep possession in open ice the way he can in the corners.

Given that his scoring rate has been remarkably similar all 4 years in the NHL it seems unlikely he will have the breakout all of a sudden that some predict.
 

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And even if he doesn't find another gear offensively, he is a very solid 3rd line RW. He plays great defense, holds the puck, and makes our team better.

If he was a 3rd round draft pick named John Sehorn we'd be thrilled with what we were getting from him as a two way winger. Unfortunately where he was picked and perhaps the overhyping of him early on based on performances in a slower league will always tarnish that image based on what could have been- I think we were all hoping at least for a 30-30-60 forward.

Ryan Murray never really lived up to his billing as the 2nd overall pick, but he has had a long and successful NHL career as a #5 defenseman.
Doing it at the WC really confirmed our expectations that he would roll right into the NHL and perform as a top sixer at worst
 
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romba

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Kakko has some good skills but when he was playing 3 on 3 in OT vs. Avs his issues became apparent. He is a mediocre skater and a big liability in a 3 on 3 situation. In addition to his pedestrian skating pace he can't keep possession in open ice the way he can in the corners.
Quick starts and stops work in the corners and along the boards, open ice though requires a higher gear and good puck control at that higher gear. CK for example has that high gear but not the stick skills, Kakko has the stick skills but not the extra gear.
 

HockeyBasedNYC

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That said I'm also not giving up on Kakko as I think his growth in this league has been stunted by the role and responsibilities placed on him compared to other top picks. I think he'll have a solid year if the coach will leave him in the spot he is in now.
So much for that idea.

Hoping at the very least we will get to see Bread - Mika - Kakko when he changes the lines for the 86th time this season.

Just give me at least one of them up there
 
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JohnC

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So much for that idea.

Hoping at the very least we will get to see Bread - Mika - Kakko when he changes the lines for the 86th time this season.

Just give me at least one of them up there
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Cuckoo4Kakko

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I would give more time to the kid line. Also on the pp. That's your future.
That's dangerous thinking around these parts. People might say you are complaining and should be happy that the kids led the win while being nonsensically benched because of Trouba.
 
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