Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

I didn't know that, and I'm absolutely certain the vast majority of Finns don't know that either. For the most of us Kaapo is the 4-year-old lead character of a dubbed children's TV show originally from Canada. It's known as Caillou there.

http://nimikirja.fi/miehet/kalenteri/kaapo

It actually makes sense. Latin speaking catholic priests delivering a mass in early-medieval (by Finnish history) church somewhere at Finland-Proper repeated name Gabriel enough many times, few centuries before The Mikael Agricola's bible translation to Finnish.

Neither G or B can ever exist in Old Finnish pronounciation, not at the beginning of a word/noun/name/term, nor in a middle of it. 'ng' can (only letter missing from Finnish ortography: example Kangas - should be 'Kan[ng][ng]as').

People then simply couldn't pronounce something like 'Gabriel' as that would've been twofold 'illegal' for the native language.

Gabriel -> Kaapriel -> Kaapro -> Kaapo

Its old. As old as Christianity in Finland, by the very importance Gabriel holds within the Canon of Christianity. But for our forefathers and ancestral mothers, the name they gave to their sons was Kaapro, Kaapriel, etc. They called their son with shorthand nikname 'Kaapo'.

Thus, Kaapo.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Kakko. It has at least two meanings in Finnish.

- A type of bread (primarily in Satakunta region of Finland). Probably very old Germanic loan word from the same root word as English 'Cake', (Finnish 'Cake' is kakku)
- Seagull (most used Finnish word for seagull is 'lokki')

Kakko: Sukunimi-info

Gabriel Seagull

Add: there is also bird species red-throated loon/red-throated diver (Gavia stellata), native also to Finland. Its Finnish name is Kaakkuri. Name may have something to do with word 'Kakko'. Intuitively it seems to prefer to a living habitat of island/islet living birds, but that is my 'vulgar etymologic' interpretation. EDIT: Finnish name Kaakkuri is onomatopoetic name, coming from Kaakkuris' stereotypical voice that Finns hear as "Ka-ka-ka-ka-ka-ka...".

Add3: (Not directly related, but peoples of speaking different languages may have dramatically different experience and linguistic conventions when it comes to onomatopoetics. For example:

Common Cuckoo (Cuculus canorus) says in English "Cuckoo!", while his Finnish cousin says "Kukkuu!", (even Latin Cuckoo apparently said so because otherwise the scientific name wouldn't make that much sense as it does now, or then its just how Carl von Linne heard it too!) That's easy.
A cat says "meow" in English, and 'Miau' in Finnish. Thats easy too.
But pig/swine!!!! Pig says " Oink! Oink!" in English, but a Finn never hear it that way. For us pigs say "Röh! Röh!")

Add2: Finnish 'South-East' is 'Kaakko'

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

My apologies for above studies/lectures. I got really intrigued about the origins, backgrounds, and etymologies of our dear Kaapo's names.

As member of priesthood of the church, I felt obliged to do so. Scholastic studies related to our Messiah will bring us mere mortals closer to his Holy Divinity.

 

[Rangers in 7]

My apologies for above studies/lectures. I got really intrigued about the origins, backgrounds, and etymologies of our dear Kaapo's names.

As member of priesthood of the church, I felt obliged to do so. Scholastic studies related to our Messiah will bring us mere mortals closer to his Holy Divinity.

arent you supposed to be silent?

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

arent you supposed to be silent?

?????

Am I missed some new direction from the bishops of higher echelons, or what? And how anyone can spread the Gospel if being silent?

Doesn't matter. Warrior monks will shout their battlecry anyway, and now its about the name, for the name, and in the name of Kaapo Kakko. Hardly anything heretic.

 

[Overcast]

My apologies for above studies/lectures. I got really intrigued about the origins, backgrounds, and etymologies of our dear Kaapo's names.

As member of priesthood of the church, I felt obliged to do so. Scholastic studies related to our Messiah will bring us mere mortals closer to his Holy Divinity.

As a lover of etymology, your posts were very interesting!

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

As a lover of etymology, your posts were very interesting!

Thanks. I like etymology and historical linguistics too.

Risking now with outright off-topic and border-line spam, but lets check some Finnish words that resemble someway 'Kaapo' and 'Kakko' in a text, and to their meanings without deeper etymological analysis.

Kakko (as explained in above comment)
Kakku 'Cake' (also synonym Kaakku)
Kakka 'sh|t, feces'
Kakki 'sh|t, feces, manure'
Kako 'stupid, idiot' (slang)
Kakkara 'daffodil, a species of plant family Asteraceae'
Kikka 'trick, gimmick'
Kikkara 'curl'
Kukka 'flower, blossom'
Kuka 'who?'
Kukkura 'A pile, a heap of some stuff (a form of some stuff)'
Kukkaro 'purse'
Kakkula 'a type of yokes, eyeglasses (slang)'
Kaakko ''South-East'
Kokka 'brow, bows (of boat)'
Kokko ''bonfire, eagle (also Kotka = Eagle)
Kokki 'cook'
Kukko 'rooster, cock (animal, not male genitals)'
Kaikki 'everything, all'
Kaikkoaa 'something goes away/disappears'
...

Kaapo (as explained in above comment)
Kaapu 'robe'
Kaipuu 'yearning'
Kaipaus 'longing'
Kaapata 'to hi-jack, seize, capture'
Kaappi 'cabinet, closet, locker'
Kaapeli 'cable, wire'
Kapu 'captain (slang abbr. from Kapteeni)'
Kapula 'round stick'
Kappa 'pelmet'
Kaapia 'to scrape'
Kapi 'mange, itch'
Kappeli 'chapel'
...

English speaking person can easily spot some Finnish words that are loaned from Germanic languages (mostly via Swedish) at some time of history. Above examples also show certain aspects of Finnish language that doesn't necessarily make learning it most easiest task. A word's meaning can dramatically change if you miss or switch just one letter, and often its easy to add suffixes to the end of a word too, and that can also change a meaning of the word.

Sub-Priest of C.O.K, Scribe (Fenno-Ugristics) Se829ne

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Re-Kakko being on the ice 30 mins longer:

His work ethic has been praised in another thread already. Roster building, I believe.

Bros, this is f***ing legit shit right here. Like every sports documentary, about the most epic players, have them say: "hard work every day; every day some one could get ahead of me, gotta give more" ... he says he did it in Finland too ...

Kaapus Kaksimus ad victoriam!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Re-Kakko being on the ice 30 mins longer:

His work ethic has been praised in another thread already. Roster building, I believe.

Bros, this is ****ing legit **** right here. Like every sports documentary, about the most epic players, have them say: "hard work every day; every day some one could get ahead of me, gotta give more" ... he says he did it in Finland too ...

Kaapus Kaksimus ad victoriam!

Some of the questions are so cringe worthy. They know he is still getting the language down and they ask him complicated questions or just plain dumb questions (Have you been watching Hughes? Did you watch him last season ((when none of his games were even really available to watch)). But boy does he say the right things.

 

[Kiekura]

His English and confidence while speaking is getting better and better.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

His English and confidence while speaking is getting better and better.

He looks more like he has to take himself aback, not to explode at some of these stupid questions. Kid is the man.

 

[lucky13]

https://nypost.com/2019/10/18/why-rangers-need-to-give-kaapo-kakko-a-bigger-role/

So it begins

 

[kelsier]

As long as Kreider is playing below his level Kakko is kinda left in a role where he's the key to get his line thriving and so far and while still adjusting to the smaller rink, that hasn't been working out. I hadn't seen a ton of Kreider before but I thought he was the type that can carry a line yet he hasn't, at all. Of course it doesn't help much either to play a ~half a minute of each powerplay. Guess we'll just have to be patient and wait and see what happens in the long run.

 

[mulli25]

I'd love to see Kakko with Panarin and Zibanejad, though I'm not convinced his play has warranted a "promotion" so to speak.

Really, I'd like to see Kakko play with the good version of Chris Kreider, not the guy who's been wearing #20 this year.

Also, and maybe I'm alone on this, I'd be more inclined to replace Buch on the PP with Fox than Kakko.

 

[DoubleGold]

I'd love to see Kakko with Panarin and Zibanejad, though I'm not convinced his play has warranted a "promotion" so to speak.

Really, I'd like to see Kakko play with the good version of Chris Kreider, not the guy who's been wearing #20 this year.

Also, and maybe I'm alone on this, I'd be more inclined to replace Buch on the PP with Fox than Kakko.

Kakko has been easily the best player on his line, he's very mature and hardly makes any mistakes. There are problems with positioning in defense and conditioning, but those are normal for an 18yo.

He should be playing in the 1st line. Buch certainly hasn't earned his place there.

 

[NYR Viper]

He played well last night. Some of the moves he can make in close for a guy his size is remarkable.

 

[007]

He played well last night. Some of the moves he can make in close for a guy his size is remarkable.

The shift where he drew the tripping penalty showed a lot of what he is capable of: incredible tight moves, great puck protection, then later tracked back to out-race the Devil to the puck, drawing the penalty. He was virtually the only Ranger on the ice for that whole shift.

 

[LOFIN]

I have to say watching him last night his speed was somewhat concerning. Seemed like he was gassed all the time. Good thing it didn't make his overall play dreadful, but still.

 

[Peltz]

I have to say watching him last night his speed was somewhat concerning. Seemed like he was gassed all the time. Good thing it didn't make his overall play dreadful, but still.

His conditioning will improve.

 

[romba]

I have to say watching him last night his speed was somewhat concerning. Seemed like he was gassed all the time. Good thing it didn't make his overall play dreadful, but still.

Definitely not his greatest strength. His initial burst also needs to get a bit more explosive to make use of his hands and vision. He's actually beaten his man more than once this season with a few slick moves, but ends up turning it over right after as he's pretty much standing still after beating his man, and the defender can just turn around and easily recover just take the puck back at that point. I get why he doesn't just dump it off at that point- usually no support and doesn't want to waste beating his man but still.

 

[Levitate]

Definitely not his greatest strength. His initial burst also needs to get a bit more explosive to make use of his hands and vision. He's actually beaten his man more than once this season with a few slick moves, but ends up turning it over right after as he's pretty much standing still after beating his man, and the defender can just turn around and easily recover just take the puck back at that point. I get why he doesn't just dump it off at that point- usually no support and doesn't want to waste beating his man but still.

eh, considering previous highlights have shown him able to explode out of a move and to the net I think it's more still just adjustment or the simple fact that not every shift is going to be a highlight shift. He could definitely improve his quickness and speed but he's still a kid as well.
a few times it seemed like he could have shot just a bit sooner and gotten a good chance but a small hesitation allowed a defender to get in the way or lift his stick. All just stuff that will come with comfort

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I'll stick by my statement from couple of months back, which was: He's the best player on this team already.

Panarin had a real dog shit day against the Debs; Mika is cleary ahead. But by the end of this year Kakko is our best player.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I have to say watching him last night his speed was somewhat concerning. Seemed like he was gassed all the time. Good thing it didn't make his overall play dreadful, but still.

Everyone looked sluggish. It happens when you only play 1 game in the last 10 days..

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I love Buch and he’s had a great start but I think it’s time to atleast put Kakko on the 1st pp unit if they want to keep Panarin Mika and Buch together

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I love Buch and he’s had a great start but I think it’s time to atleast put Kakko on the 1st pp unit if they want to keep Panarin Mika and Buch together

I'm not so sure i'd say buch has had a "great" start. He's been pretty average.