Kaapo Kakko vs Quinton Byfield

[The Crypto Guy]

Guy has a Pulji stat line lol. Another Finn busto.

At least you are admitting now you dont watch him play and just look at hockeydb.com. Your making progress.

 

[Saitama]

Kakko can be a good NHL player and still be a bust for 2nd overall

Hes recently scored his 40th career goal; Jack Hughes just scored 40g in this season, which is what Kakko was expected to be doing.

Hes only got a few more years before its just about set in stone

Here's the first definition of bust for NHL players on google:

If you watch him play, he is not anywhere near "very low-skilled". He contributes quite a bit and is just getting better and better. You need to revise your understanding of the word "bust".

 

[dwonger]

Here's the first definition of bust for NHL players on google: View attachment 684913

If you watch him play, he is not anywhere near "very low-skilled". He contributes quite a bit and is just getting better and better. You need to revise your understanding of the word "bust".

Oh wow a Google definition lol. He is a bust plain and simple, sorry. He's not even .5ppg in his 4th season as a 2nd overall pick he is a beyond bust.

 

[Saitama]

Oh wow a Google definition lol. He is a bust plain and simple, sorry. He's not even .5ppg in his 4th season as a 2nd overall pick he is a beyond bust.

Is this what blissful ignorance is? It seems like you're very confident in being really wrong and are also very happy about it. Maybe later for a laugh, I'll go read some of your other posts!

 

[Akrapovince]

I honestly don't know how Byfield is doing but one of my biggest pet peeves and no one has said this in THIS thread yet is just because Kakko and Laf are disappointments based on draft position they're not NHL players. Both are 3rd line players. I think Kakko is a solid 3rd line player. He'll likely never match the pre-draft hype but a talented but frustrating grinder type player is where I think his career is headed. You could argue it's there already but I think there's definitely room for growth in his offensive game. Like if he's a better Brandon Dubinsky he'll be a very good albeit disappointing player for his draft position.

It’s what happens when good teams select high.

 

[CanadienShark]

Oh wow a Google definition lol. He is a bust plain and simple, sorry. He's not even .5ppg in his 4th season as a 2nd overall pick he is a beyond bust.

What kind of definition do you like best?

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Here's the first definition of bust for NHL players on google: View attachment 684913

If you watch him play, he is not anywhere near "very low-skilled". He contributes quite a bit and is just getting better and better. You need to revise your understanding of the word "bust".

Okay well thats not what I think a bust is so idrc what google says lol; not everyone defines bust the same just like superstar, elite, etc.

I think a bust is someone who clearly was not worth anywhere near their draft pick. Simple enough. Kakko fits that bill as of today and likely will going forward

 

[Saitama]

What kind of definition do you like best?

If KK is "beyond bust" then apparently he thinks bust means that the player didn't instantly become a superstar on the team.

 

[dwonger]

If KK is "beyond bust" then apparently he thinks bust means that the player didn't instantly become a superstar on the team.

Yes. Also Laffy is another bust they have taken, another busto.

 

[Lavar Ball]

Why do people even engage with posters like this^

bUsTo

 

[Albatros]

Okay well thats not what I think a bust is so idrc what google says lol; not everyone defines bust the same just like superstar, elite, etc.

I think a bust is someone who clearly was not worth anywhere near their draft pick. Simple enough. Kakko fits that bill as of today and likely will going forward

As of today he's 5th in career points among players of that draft. Seventh if including all picks since 2019. That may be underwhelming for a 2nd overall pick, but to say he's nowhere near is also a bit of an exaggeration. Especially as he's also been the best forward defensively.

 

[umad]

I predict that Byfield will have a Tage Thompson-like development path. The tools are all there, he just needs more time to figure it out.

Meanwhile Kaako is in his 4th season and he hasn't done anything that lives up to his stature as a 2nd overall pick.

This is Byfield.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

As of today he's 5th in career points among players of that draft. Seventh if including all picks since 2019. That may be underwhelming for a 2nd overall pick, but to say he's nowhere near is also a bit of an exaggeration. Especially as he's also been the best forward defensively.

Well thats a bit deceiving, to use career points for a draft four years ago

His ppg is already outside the top-10 and nearing outside the top-15

If you cant produce within the top-10 of a draft then you were a massive mistake at pick 2 - a bust - and odds are he ends up outside the top-20 or more when its all said and done

 

[NHL Fanatik]

What kind of definition do you like best?

Its a subjective word - no one definition is best

Whatever word used to describe Kakko will be negative either way when including his draft pick; bust, disappointing, etc.

Point is he wasnt worth 2nd overall and likely wont have been worth even a top-20 pick

 

[Albatros]

Well thats a bit deceiving, to use career points for a draft four years ago

His ppg is already outside the top-10 and nearing outside the top-15

If you cant produce within the top-10 of a draft then you were a massive mistake at pick 2 - a bust - and odds are he ends up outside the top-20 or more when its all said and done

Conversely ppg strongly favors players that enter the league late or spend time in the minors. You can say that someone like Pinto has a higher ppg which is factual, but just as true is that he has never outscored Kakko. Or is Maccelli the better pick because he had a Calder candidate level rookie campaign at 22, scoring 9 more points than Kakko?

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Conversely ppg strongly favors players that enter the league late or spend time in the minors. You can say that someone like Pinto has a higher ppg which is factual, but just as true is that he has never outscored Kakko. Or is Maccelli the better pick because he had a Calder candidate level rookie campaign at 22, scoring 9 more points than Kakko?

Only Pinard and Parssinen are under 50 games, while Byram Pinto Maccelli are below 100 games

Those are reasonable enough sample sizes to deduce that all five names I listed under 100 games have now shown they can produce similarly or better than Kakko in his fourth season on a top-5 team

 

[Giant Panda]

Here's the first definition of bust for NHL players on google: View attachment 684913

If you watch him play, he is not anywhere near "very low-skilled". He contributes quite a bit and is just getting better and better. You need to revise your understanding of the word "bust".

While I don't think it applies to either player being discussed here (at least yet), I don't think this definition fits. Guys like Galchenyuk and Drouin are pretty universally accepted to be draft busts but don't match your definition.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Do I have to pick? They both stink for where they were drafted and guys who went after them and the high expectations they have. Rangers would have been much different if they picked zegras instead of kakko and La would be much different if they picked stuetzle. Never forget tho that rangers fans were cheering when devils drafted Jack Hughes because they convinced themselves that kakko was the better player.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Byfield has taken some steps forward this year, but he has three goals (!) in 50 something games played this year. Most of those games have come on Kopitar and Kempe’s wing.

He had a nice stretch a couple months ago where he was close to PPG and setting up a lot of plays for Kopitar/Kempe.

He needs to take another massive step forward next year. I don’t know if he will or not. He’s a passive player who apparently can’t score at the NHL level.

Imagine how good the Kings would be this year if they took Zegras instead of Turcotte and Stutzle instead of Byfield. Big yikes, Rob Blake.

 

[Albatros]

Only Pinard and Parssinen are under 50 games, while Byram Pinto Maccelli are below 100 games

Those are reasonable enough sample sizes to deduce that all five names I listed under 100 games have now shown they can produce similarly or better than Kakko in his fourth season on a top-5 team

Pinto has scored 8 points before this season, Kakko 58. This season Pinto has 34 points whereas Kakko sits at 39 in as many games. And your conclusion is that Pinto has proven his production is similar or better. To me that's not an argument made in entirely good faith.

And yeah, the Rangers are a good team now, but that also means PP and top 6 roles are behind Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Pinto has scored 8 points before this season, Kakko 58. This season Pinto has 34 points whereas Kakko sits at 39 in as many games. And your conclusion is that Pinto has proven his production is similar or better. To me that's not an argument made in entirely good faith.

And yeah, the Rangers are a good team now, but that also means PP and top 6 roles are behind Patrick Kane and Vladimir Tarasenko.

The Rangers being a top 5 team or whatever hurts Laf and Kakko. That argument is ridiculous.

 

[OKR]

Kakko has been far superior in the NHL so far, he has had short stretches where he looks like the best player on the Rangers, granted it isn’t often but he is already very good depth forward outside of those stretches and has shown that there is potential for much more in the future.

Byfield hasn’t been exactly horrible either but he is yet to put any of his tools together at the NHL level.

It’s honestly painful to watch how bad NJD fans want Kakko to be a bust.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Just my feeling but even if Kakko doesnt succeed in being a star, he will a very useful middle 6 player going forward, whereas if Byfield cant contribute in the top 6, he will flame-out hard.