Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part II

[ohbaby]

The season is starting to kick into gear after having 4 games in 3 weeks or whatever, it could just be the adjustment to the pace of the season for him

So what are you saying? Should we expect 4th line minutes from now on? Now that we are playing every other day?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So what are you saying? Should we expect 4th line minutes from now on? Now that we are playing every other day?

No, I’m saying that it’s a big adjustment and not playing huge minutes every night isn’t necessarily a bad thing or a sign that something is wrong

 

[Hockeyplayer99]

Trade Kaako for a 7th round pick now, while he still has some value

 

[ohbaby]

No, I’m saying that it’s a big adjustment and not playing huge minutes every night isn’t necessarily a bad thing or a sign that something is wrong

I disagree. Something is wrong. His minutes have been dropping significantly. Like he is nursing something.

 

[ohbaby]

I am more concerned due to him being diabetic. Athletes need to watch their blood sugar more closely. But then saw Bobby Clarke played his entire career with the disease. And he is still with the Flyers today. So that's now less of a worry.

 

[Irishguy42]

He's played in the pro league before, so I would imagine he's familiar with the rigors of playing and having diabetes/being a celiac.

I would also assume the Rangers are being responsible with it, and potentially a bit proactive too early on in his career since it is the NHL, and can help him scale his prep/treatment based on the enhanced schedule and whatnot.

It's all an adjustment, of course. Not worried about that having too much of an affect here.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I am more concerned due to him being diabetic. Athletes need to watch their blood sugar more closely. But then saw Bobby Clarke played his entire career with the disease. And he is still with the Flyers today. So that's now less of a worry.

Oh my god. Forget about his diseases, he has said that he doesn't even need to think about them. Why would you?

What he needs is a stabile, sheltered role. That's all.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

kid turns 19 in 4 months ... this kid is literally the last thing we need to worry about.

 

[Uncle Dru]

Looked into it, of the 5 points Hughes put up, 2 were on the PP and 1 came just seconds after another had expired. More importantly, he's built confidence and played better as each game passes, especially 5v5.

Hughes has 33 PP Mins (probably most of which on the top PP) to Kakko's 16 Mins. Get him some PP1 time to build up his confidence. The 1 game he was put on PP1 he had 5 SOG and was very noticeable...probably not a coincidence.

Please dont f*** up this kid's development Rangers.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Looked into it, of the 5 points Hughes put up, 2 were on the PP and 1 came just seconds after another had expired. More importantly, he's built confidence and played better as each game passes, especially 5v5.

Hughes has 33 PP Mins (probably most of which on the top PP) to Kakko's 16 Mins. Get him some PP1 time to build up his confidence. The 1 game he was put on PP1 he had 5 SOG and was very noticeable...probably not a coincidence.

Please dont f*** up this kid's development Rangers.

He’ll be fine even if he doesn’t get a boatload of powerplay time and beat Hughes’ point totals this year

 

[Ukkosenjumala]

Looked into it, of the 5 points Hughes put up, 2 were on the PP and 1 came just seconds after another had expired. More importantly, he's built confidence and played better as each game passes, especially 5v5.

Hughes has 33 PP Mins (probably most of which on the top PP) to Kakko's 16 Mins. Get him some PP1 time to build up his confidence. The 1 game he was put on PP1 he had 5 SOG and was very noticeable...probably not a coincidence.

Please dont f*** up this kid's development Rangers.

I think the question is would you bring any of this up if it wasn't for Hughes? People need to stop obsessing over who's the best 18 year old in the world. Look at guys like Draisatl, Barkov, Rantanen etc, none of them were big producers early on and all of them are now 90+ point players (Rantanen isnt technicly but he would have broke 90 if he played the full season). Once these guys are 24-25 nobody will give a shit who won the Calder or who was the most ready in the NHL from day 1. Hughes is a bigger draw for Jersey than Kakko is for Rangers right now, they got a desperate coach, a team that's supposed to be making the playoffs, more hype for Hughes AND an injured Hischier so they're gonna give him more minutes. There's way more pressure seemingly to push the 1st overall guy than the 2nd overall guy.

That being said I'm not opposed to Kakko getting more PP and ice time But it's not because of Hughes but because this team is barebones and there's really no reason not to, it's a development year so if he makes some mistakes out there, good for the draft position

 

[Uncle Dru]

I think the question is would you bring any of this up if it wasn't for Hughes? People need to stop obsessing over who's the best 18 year old in the world. Look at guys like Draisatl, Barkov, Rantanen etc, none of them were big producers early on and all of them are now 90+ point players (Rantanen isnt technicly but he would have broke 90 if he played the full season). Once these guys are 24-25 nobody will give a **** who won the Calder or who was the most ready in the NHL from day 1. Hughes is a bigger draw for Jersey than Kakko is for Rangers right now, they got a desperate coach, a team that's supposed to be making the playoffs, more hype for Hughes AND an injured Hischier so they're gonna give him more minutes. There's way more pressure seemingly to push the 1st overall guy than the 2nd overall guy.

That being said I'm not opposed to Kakko getting more PP and ice time But it's not because of Hughes but because this team is barebones and there's really no reason not to, it's a development year so if he makes some mistakes out there, good for the draft position

Hughes being a comp will probably always be a thing but ultimately I brought him up b/c I'd like to see similar development trends with Kakko.

He needs to clear that mental hurdle and getting him some good looks on the PP will get him feeling better about his overall game. We saw that with the Vancouver game.

 

[Kovalev27]

Looked into it, of the 5 points Hughes put up, 2 were on the PP and 1 came just seconds after another had expired. More importantly, he's built confidence and played better as each game passes, especially 5v5.

Hughes has 33 PP Mins (probably most of which on the top PP) to Kakko's 16 Mins. Get him some PP1 time to build up his confidence. The 1 game he was put on PP1 he had 5 SOG and was very noticeable...probably not a coincidence.

Please dont f*** up this kid's development Rangers.

pretty clear NJ knows that his development is the most important thing and when he struggled they glued him next to hall and palmieri at even strength and the PP. not for 10 mins like we did with Kakko but for a few games until he finally broke out.

Quinn is coaching for wins and will not put Kakko next to Howden on the third line bury him further and give him a couple mins on PP2 to keep people off his back. He should know this season is about developing your future franchise players. Not trying to scrape by.

 

[Irishguy42]

They didn't glue Hughes to Hall/Palmieri because of his struggling come on now that is just not right. Dumb narrative.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

pretty clear NJ knows that his development is the most important thing and when he struggled they glued him next to hall and palmieri at even strength and the PP. not for 10 mins like we did with Kakko but for a few games until he finally broke out.

Quinn is coaching for wins and will not put Kakko next to Howden on the third line bury him further and give him a couple mins on PP2 to keep people off his back. He should know this season is about developing your future franchise players. Not trying to scrape by.

He was put with Hall and Palmieri because Hischier got hurt, not because they’re prioritizing Hughes over everything

 

[ottawa]

I am more concerned due to him being diabetic. Athletes need to watch their blood sugar more closely. But then saw Bobby Clarke played his entire career with the disease. And he is still with the Flyers today. So that's now less of a worry.

Maxwell Domi is also diabetic.

 

[Kovalev27]

He was put with Hall and Palmieri because Hischier got hurt, not because they’re prioritizing Hughes over everything

that’s one guy. They didn’t need to put him there. They could have hid him like Quinn is doing with Kakko. He’s been on the top PP since day one without performing. Don’t defend it this isn’t how you develop a franchise player. You play them and play them and play them some more.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kakko back on the 3rd line at practice.

The experiment of 5 minutes on a top line is over folks.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

that’s one guy. They didn’t need to put him there. They could have hid him like Quinn is doing with Kakko. He’s been on the top PP since day one without performing. Don’t defend it this isn’t how you develop a franchise player. You play them and play them and play them some more.

What’s become apparently clear to me is that this fan base has never been close to having this kind of prospect

 

[gravey9]

The most important thing for Kakko right now is keeping his feet moving. He's such a big kid and the moment he stops moving his feet it becomes very hard for him to keep up with the pace. In the off-seaon he needs to put in a ton of effort on his first step(s). but for now, he just needs to stop gliding. Just keep churning. While he's been decent on the PP. He's been a bit of a drag on whatever line he's been at times cause he's not getting to the right spots quickly enough. He'll get there, but he's not there yet. I really think Kakko should be on a line with Panarin... eventually. Right now, I'm okay with having him learn the nuts and bolts of the NHL game.

 

[Kovalev27]

What’s become apparently clear to me is that this fan base has never been close to having this kind of prospect

you’re right we haven’t. It’s been 50 years.

what we have seen is how other franchises develop their top franchise players. And they let them run give them a ton of mins try not to mess with their creativity and lose and lose if need be for the greater good of turning those kids into the stars they are meant to be.

what we have seen is a franchise that has zero idea how to develop offensive star prospects and shouldn’t just be given the benefit of the doubt that now all of a sudden they know best

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

you’re right we haven’t. It’s been 50 years.

what we have seen is how other franchises develop their top franchise players. And they let them run give them a ton of mins try not to mess with their creativity and lose and lose if need be for the greater good of turning those kids into the stars they are meant to be.

what we have seen is a franchise that has zero idea how to develop offensive star prospects and shouldn’t just be given the benefit of the doubt that now all of a sudden they know best

Well no, other teams don’t just let them go out there and run free and let what happens happen

 

[Kovalev27]

Well no, other teams don’t just let them go out there and run free and let what happens happen

franchise forwards? They put them in top mins opportunities and let them shine. They learn how to check as they go. They certainly don’t play them 10 mins a game next to Brett Howden because they made a rookie mistake. They lose games because of it but it’s for a reason.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

franchise forwards? They put them in top mins opportunities and let them shine. They learn how to check as they go. They certainly don’t play them 10 mins a game next to Brett Howden because they made a rookie mistake. They lose games because of it but it’s for a reason.

Yes. The problem here is that we get to see what happens on a day by day basis because we watch every Rangers game and we don’t do that with other teams who get these types of kids

 

[SwedishFire]

He’s been getting like the same usage as every other rookie this year and last year to start.

Dach just got the least TOI on the entire Chicago team.

Hughes was getting even less ice time until the player ahead of him got injured.

Makar just got demoted to the second PP unit and played 14 mins in back to back games.

Q. Hughes was on the second PP up until last game.

I don’t want him to play less than 10 minutes. He also wasn’t playing well. Do we or do we not want accountability or does it only count for players we don’t like?

Is it just me, or doesnt it seems like harder then ever for rookies to break into the league?