Proposal: JVR to the Sharks
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Juxtaposer
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Absolutely not. We could use JVR and he's a good playing but Braun is an essential part of our team. And we add? Yikes.
Honestly, I don't understand how Braun remains so underrated. He is at WORST a good #3 on a great contract in his prime. "Solid top-4 guy" is underselling him by a lot.
Honestly, I don't understand how Braun remains so underrated. He is at WORST a good #3 on a great contract in his prime. "Solid top-4 guy" is underselling him by a lot.
I had a feeling you were going to post something along those lines.
Quite simply put, the difference between DeMelo and Braun is vastly less than JVR and Haley.
Therefore, that makes us a better team.
Quite simply put, the difference between DeMelo and Braun is vastly less than JVR and Haley.
Therefore, that makes us a better team.
Juxtaposer
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It's cute that you think Haley would sit, even if we got JVR.
Having seven real NHL defensemen is important. If someone got hurt, who would you call up if we traded Braun? Mueller? Hell no, he's never going to be a real NHLer. Heed? He's not ready. Ryan? Ryan has deserved a call-up for two seasons now but inexplicably never gets one, so I can't imagine he'd get one then.
Furthermore, who becomes Vlasic's partner? DeMelo played well in a short stint on the shutdown pair, but who knows if he can do it long-term. Schlemko shouldn't play shutdown.
If we could get JVR+Carrick for Braun++, that would be a different story. Or if they tossed in Corrado.
It's cute you don't think JVR + is worth Braun.
Haley didn't play for a while until injuries forced it. Do you really think they would play Haley over wingels, Tierney, or karlsson?!
Lol and tell Chicago's last cup that having 7 NHL D men is important, much less the 4 that they had.
Haley didn't play for a while until injuries forced it. Do you really think they would play Haley over wingels, Tierney, or karlsson?!
Lol and tell Chicago's last cup that having 7 NHL D men is important, much less the 4 that they had.
It's cute that you think Haley would sit, even if we got JVR.
Having seven real NHL defensemen is important. If someone got hurt, who would you call up if we traded Braun? Mueller? Hell no, he's never going to be a real NHLer. Heed? He's not ready. Ryan? Ryan has deserved a call-up for two seasons now but inexplicably never gets one, so I can't imagine he'd get one then.
If we could get JVR+Carrick for Braun++, that would be a different story. Or if they tossed in Corrado.
Juxtaposer
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Bud, your proposal was Braun+ for JVR. Stop moving the goalposts.
Is it possible you're forgetting when Nieto was a healthy scratch in favor of Haley earlier this season?
Is it possible you're forgetting how our main downfall in the playoffs last year was our atrocious third pairing?
Juxtaposer
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Great, don't retain then. If we're trading Braun I don't know why we would need the Leafs to retain more than like half a mil anyway. OP is out to lunch.
Your words:
Absolutely not. We could use JVR and he's a good playing but Braun is an essential part of our team. And we add? Yikes.
Comparing Nieto to JVR, Wingels, Tierney, or Karlsson?
Do you really think Haley would start over any of those 4?
Our atrocious 3rd pairing consisting of two slow, stay at home D men with no idea of what a breakout pass is?
That's a whole lot different than a stay at home D Man partnered with a puck mover.
Absolutely not. We could use JVR and he's a good playing but Braun is an essential part of our team. And we add? Yikes.
Comparing Nieto to JVR, Wingels, Tierney, or Karlsson?
Do you really think Haley would start over any of those 4?
Our atrocious 3rd pairing consisting of two slow, stay at home D men with no idea of what a breakout pass is?
That's a whole lot different than a stay at home D Man partnered with a puck mover.
Juxtaposer
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That is literally not equivalent to me saying that I don't think JVR+ is worth Braun.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Considering Nieto is better than Wingels and Karlsson and arguably Tierney... Yeah, I do.
A six-man defensive unit with DeMelo replacing Braun in a vacuum is fine. But hockey is not played in a vacuum. Injuries happen. Experience matters. Did you not catch that my anxiety was primarily over who would be the next call-up if one of those six got hurt in the playoffs?
We also have a really good wing prospect playing extremely well in the AHL right now. His name is Timo Meier. Maybe you've heard of him? He should be called up any day now and I think we should give him a chance before trading away our third best defenseman for a winger.
Lol so JVR for Braun + is "yikes" doesn't insinuate that it should JVR + for Braun?
Even if they still dress Haley, the difference between Nieto and JVR is a whhhooolllleee lot greater than DeMelo vs Braun.
And if someone goes down, there's this novel idea of shortening the bench in the playoffs.
Oh, Timo Meier? The same prospect you constantly bad mouth whenever you get the chance?
Even if they still dress Haley, the difference between Nieto and JVR is a whhhooolllleee lot greater than DeMelo vs Braun.
And if someone goes down, there's this novel idea of shortening the bench in the playoffs.
Oh, Timo Meier? The same prospect you constantly bad mouth whenever you get the chance?
That is literally not equivalent to me saying that I don't think JVR+ is worth Braun.
Considering Nieto is better than Wingels and Karlsson and arguably Tierney... Yeah, I do.
A six-man defensive unit with DeMelo replacing Braun in a vacuum is fine. But hockey is not played in a vacuum. Injuries happen. Experience matters. Did you not catch that my anxiety was primarily over who would be the next call-up if one of those six got hurt in the playoffs?
We also have a really good wing prospect playing extremely well in the AHL right now. His name is Timo Meier. Maybe you've heard of him? He should be called up any day now and I think we should give him a chance before trading away our third best defenseman for a winger.
Juxtaposer
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1) No, it doesn't, because that's not how logic works.
2) Your exact words were "It's cute you don't think JVR + is worth Braun". You claimed that I didn't think JVR+ for Braun was fair to the Sharks. Now your argument is that I indirectly insinuated that JVR+ for Braun is fair?
Again. Goalposts. Don't move them.
Yeah, playing with 5D in the playoffs definitely sounds like a smart idea.
I have literally been praising Timo pretty much non-stop for a month now. But I guess it's easier to make assumptions than actual legitimate points.
1. Actually, yes, that is how logic works.
If Braun and a 3rd is "Yikes," it means you probably believe the opposite to true or else you would have just simply said the pick wasn't necessary.
That by definition is logic.
2. Lol once again, did Chicago not just do that a couple of years ago?
3. One month of praise over the entire year of negatively does not negate the said year of negatively.
4. I'm done replying to you. I would have better luck having a conversation with a brick wall. If you feel further inclined to argue, PM me so you don't derail the thread any further
If Braun and a 3rd is "Yikes," it means you probably believe the opposite to true or else you would have just simply said the pick wasn't necessary.
That by definition is logic.
2. Lol once again, did Chicago not just do that a couple of years ago?
3. One month of praise over the entire year of negatively does not negate the said year of negatively.
4. I'm done replying to you. I would have better luck having a conversation with a brick wall. If you feel further inclined to argue, PM me so you don't derail the thread any further
1) No, it doesn't, because that's not how logic works.
2) Your exact words were "It's cute you don't think JVR + is worth Braun". You claimed that I didn't think JVR+ for Braun was fair to the Sharks. Now your argument is that I indirectly insinuated that JVR+ for Braun is fair?
Again. Goalposts. Don't move them.
Yeah, playing with 5D in the playoffs definitely sounds like a smart idea.
I have literally been constantly praising Timo for a month now. But I guess it's easier to make assumptions than actual legitimate points.
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Ehhh... if we're retaining on jvr I'd want more than Braun and a mystery box. Tbh, jvr @2m would fetch quite a bit, also there is the case that he is playing pretty darn well on his line with marner. We're in no rush to trade him barring an overpayment really
Fair enough.
Braun is also worth quite a bit being a top 4 RHD(as you know, probably the most coveted position ATM.)
I figured since the leafs have a stock pile of up and coming wingers and a lack of D men it would be fitting.
Braun is also worth quite a bit being a top 4 RHD(as you know, probably the most coveted position ATM.)
I figured since the leafs have a stock pile of up and coming wingers and a lack of D men it would be fitting.
Ehhh... if we're retaining on jvr I'd want more than Braun and a mystery box. Tbh, jvr @2m would fetch quite a bit, also there is the case that he is playing pretty darn well on his line with marner. We're in no rush to trade him barring an overpayment really
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at the thread's success so far.Not going to act like I know Braun's play, but it definitely wouldn't be a dealbreaker to toss in Corrado with JVR for Braun if he's a good #3.
Maybe would need to hold off on the deal happening after the expansion draft though.
I get where you're coming from. We just don't have another jvr in our system. One could argue Rychel could step up, outside of him though most of the wingers we've stockpiled are of the small skilled variety. So while Braun could be a solid option I can't see the leafs using our most attractive trade chip this year to attain him.
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Yeah I guess both teams say NO here.
I think Braun is comfortable where he is. Not sure how he'll adjust to the Eastern Conference. Don't want to take that risk to be honest. We have a few really solid D in the minors with Neilsen and Valiev who I want to give a shot to.
I think Braun is comfortable where he is. Not sure how he'll adjust to the Eastern Conference. Don't want to take that risk to be honest. We have a few really solid D in the minors with Neilsen and Valiev who I want to give a shot to.
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1. JVR is not the player we need.
2. He's not worth Braun.
3. We're certainly not adding to Braun. He's worth more than JVR.
No.
2. He's not worth Braun.
3. We're certainly not adding to Braun. He's worth more than JVR.
No.
