Luke DeCock: Justin Faulk Speculation

[Lempo]

And I shamelessly stole it for the main board. Sorry @Lempo , but I'm not afraid to admit that your wit is better than mine.

It's cool, the mainboard had it coming.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Comtois would be cool but he'd have to be protected in the expansion draft. Why Anaheim couldnt have played him in 9 games instead of 10, Ill never know.

 

[Svechhammer]

not expecting much. 2nd+junk

I learned long ago (like, February this year) not to underestimate the big dick energy that Waddell is working with right now

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

not expecting much. 2nd+junk

That's kind of where I'm at as well.

 

[Lempo]

The funny thing is that if WPG did that again the Jets merch would be silently cleared from Finnish store shelves overnight. Dundo wants to sell that Canes stuff for Finns?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The funny thing is that if WPG did that again the Jets merch would be silently cleared from Finnish store shelves overnight. Dundo wants to sell that Canes stuff for Finns?

im surprised we havent been scheduled for another set of games in Finland.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Personally, Comtois would be my choice if Faulk agrees to an extension. Comtois and a mid-late pick would actually be a great return for Faulk, because he is considered to be a blue-chip offensive piece to many teams.

Only thing I really know about Comtois was him being a dirty, Crosby-level diving POS for Canada's U20 WJC team this past year.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Im not surprised. They came back with a number above 6 and canes said thats not happening. If he was willing to lower his ask i bet he have been signed before we went out and got Gardiner.

 

[Svechhammer]

Only thing I really know about Comtois was him being a dirty, Crosby-level diving POS for Canada's U20 WJC team this past year.

So more PPs for us this year to show off our newfound skills

We really are playing 4D chess, aren't we?

 

[Svechhammer]

Im not surprised. They came back with a number above 6 and canes said thats not happening. If he was willing to lower his ask i bet he have been signed before we went out and got Gardiner.

Slavin - $5.3m AAV until 2025
Pesce - $4.025m AAV until 2024
Hamilton - $5.75m AAV until 2021
Gardiner - $4.05m AAV until 2023

If Faulk still thinks he's worth over $6m AAV to us on this team, then he needs to go

 

[My Special Purpose]

According to CapFriendly, Faulk submits a 15-team *trade* list, and according to Friedman, ANA is on Faulk's list. So that *could* mean that ANA is an approved trade destination. It's lot of guesswork from me, however, when it's on the writer to be clear about what he means.

 

[Roboturner913]

High salary demand or not, I don't want to trade him just because he might walk. If we're trying to make a playoff run, and given our prospect pool, one year of Faulk is likely worth more than a 50/50 prospect and a 2nd round pick or whatever. And there's not a whole lot on the Ducks right now that you're like "Oooh he'd be great." I'm pretty meh on this.

 

[spockBokk]

According to CapFriendly, Faulk submits a 15-team *trade* list, and according to Friedman, ANA is on Faulk's list. So that *could* mean that ANA is an approved trade destination. It's lot of guesswork from me, however, when it's on the writer to be clear about what he means.

From the below, I take it to mean than Faulk has ANH as a no-go on his list...at least for the moment:

 

[Navin R Slavin]

im surprised we havent been scheduled for another set of games in Finland.

I'm ready to go back any time.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I think we saw some of that this year with trading Saarela, Carrick and Roy. Saarela was a throw-in on another deal, Carrick was a swap for Wood, who is 2 years younger, and Roy returned Haula. If some of these guys don't get claimed on waivers (and most of them likely won't get claimed), I can see some more trades in the future seasons as the prospect base develops, as well as letting some NHL guys, who command larger contracts, go when their deals expire.

I thought the same thing last draft. And the Canes didn't use all the picks. They traded back and used more.

This is yet another brilliant thing the Canes are doing and the rest of the league is letting them (for now).
If we equate making draft picks to throwing darts at a board, you want to have as many darts as possible. Making the picks is the key. Then you have a few years to see if the picks turn out to be winners or losers (or somewhere in between). You make room on your NHL roster for the winners, throw out the losers, and use the in-between guys to get more darts.

Guys like Saarela, Roy and McKeown are basically worthless once they get to this point in their careers and they haven't forced the NHL club to make room for them. Getting picks or NHL players for them is just brilliant.

But the darts are the key. They are the lottery tickets. And more is better since most of them are trash.

We have enough draft picks to sweeten the deal, no?

I don't see us doing that, for the reasons stated above. We'll throw in mediocre prospects all day long, but we won't add picks. Picks are too valuable.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

This is yet another brilliant thing the Canes are doing and the rest of the league is letting them (for now).
If we equate making draft picks to throwing darts at a board, you want to have as many darts as possible. Making the picks is the key. Then you have a few years to see if the picks turn out to be winners or losers (or somewhere in between). You make room on your NHL roster for the winners, throw out the losers, and use the in-between guys to get more darts.

Guys like Saarela, Roy and McKeown are basically worthless once they get to this point in their careers and they haven't forced the NHL club to make room for them. Getting picks or NHL players for them is just brilliant.

But the darts are the key. They are the lottery tickets. And more is better since most of them are trash.



I don't see us doing that, for the reasons stated above. We'll throw in mediocre prospects all day long, but we won't add picks. Picks are too valuable.

Yep. Picks have much higher option value, even lower ones. The longer a prospect hangs around, no matter how good, the lower their option value goes.

 

[Svechhammer]

High salary demand or not, I don't want to trade him just because he might walk. If we're trying to make a playoff run, and given our prospect pool, one year of Faulk is likely worth more than a 50/50 prospect and a 2nd round pick or whatever. And there's not a whole lot on the Ducks right now that you're like "Oooh he'd be great." I'm pretty meh on this.

You said it on the Trade board. We have too many guys right now to slot one of them into the 3rd pairing and it not have a negative impact on their game. Someone is going to have to move out, and Faulk looks like the most natural one to move, not because he might walk, but because of his expiring contract. And, it opens up that other defensive slot for us to see what we got with Fleury, Bean, Priskie, etc.

And if we can get anything back in a trade, even better.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

High salary demand or not, I don't want to trade him just because he might walk. If we're trying to make a playoff run, and given our prospect pool, one year of Faulk is likely worth more than a 50/50 prospect and a 2nd round pick or whatever. And there's not a whole lot on the Ducks right now that you're like "Oooh he'd be great." I'm pretty meh on this.

Agreed, but I'm one of the few that doesn't treat Faulk as a whipping boy. I'm uneasy about the Gardiner signing, if it means that they're going to trade Faulk for a mediocre return. Both Gardiner and Hamilton in the Top 4 adds an additional question mark for next season's outlook. Can either pair eat shutdown minutes consistently?

 

[geehaad]

According to CapFriendly, Faulk submits a 15-team *trade* list, and according to Friedman, ANA is on Faulk's list. So that *could* mean that ANA is an approved trade destination. It's lot of guesswork from me, however, when it's on the writer to be clear about what he means.

Agreed...that's what I thought immediately after having read that.

 

[Svechhammer]

Agreed, but I'm one of the few that doesn't treat Faulk as a whipping boy. I'm uneasy about the Gardiner signing, if it means that they're going to trade Faulk for a mediocre return. Both Gardiner and Hamilton in the Top 4 adds an additional question mark for next season's outlook. Can either pair eat shutdown minutes consistently?

Do you believe in advanced stats or not?

Because the advanced stats say they are both very capable of being shutdown players, despite what they eye test may or may not say. (of course, some of that has to do with their pairs, but if they are paired with Slavin and Pesce, I don't think those numbers would fall...)

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Do you believe in advanced stats or not?

Because the advanced stats say they are both very capable of being shutdown players, despite what they eye test may or may not say. (of course, some of that has to do with their pairs, but if they are paired with Slavin and Pesce, I don't think those numbers would fall...)

The Bill Peters era killed my interest in shot attempt derived stats. I didn't see a top-tier defensemen when I watched Hamilton play last year.

Being honest, my perception of Gardiner is almost exclusively influenced by the eye test of TML fans. I may have a totally different view of him in his own zone when I start to watch him consistently. For now, I can’t help but be concerned about the mix back there.

 

[Roboturner913]

We have too many guys right now to slot one of them into the 3rd pairing and it not have a negative impact on their game. Someone is going to have to move out

IDK, you're telling me we're better off with an average player as our #5 defenseman than we would be having a legitimately good player as our #5 defenseman and I'm just having a hard time buying that argument.

Now, if it's a case of the front office strongly believing that Bean or Priskie need to play *now* so make room for one of them, OK. But I don't get the sense that's what this is about. If they'd rather have Faulk on the team than not have him, then keep him and let him walk in FA. We can afford to take that hit.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Kris Letang would be murdered within 10 games in a Leafs jersey. Take Leafs fans’ eye test with a grain of salt - his defensive zone miscues get blown up. Letang said it last year, “what do you want me to do, not contribute offensively?”

We got a PP1, high-end 2nd pairing guy. He won’t play PK and as of now (a Faulk trade changes this) we can give him favorable matchups at 5v5 as well. He doesn’t need them, but they’d certainly play to his strengths.

 

[Svechhammer]

IDK, you're telling me we're better off with an average player as our #5 defenseman than we would be having a legitimately good player as our #5 defenseman and I'm just having a hard time buying that argument.

Now, if it's a case of the front office strongly believing that Bean or Priskie need to play *now* so make room for one of them, OK. But I don't get the sense that's what this is about. If they'd rather have Faulk on the team than not have him, then keep him and let him walk in FA. We can afford to take that hit.

Given the current youth in our locker room, and the exit of Williams, I'd much rather use that 3rd line to have an "average" prospect giving it their all to prove it to the team they belong than to roll with a veteran on his UFA year getting increasingly frustrated with his playing time because he's slotted on the 3rd line when he could legitimately be playing 1st line mins elsewhere.

If the coaches can make it work and keep that from happening, sure... But do you have faith that would happen? After what was happening with Pesce last year?

 

[DaveG]

not expecting much. 2nd+junk

I expect that if there's no extension he can work out with the other team. If there is he may return a bit more like 2nd + B tier prospect