Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

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They are still on the books in 2026. Would need to pay a lot of dump them, if they even waive. Quinn isn't signing a 1 or 2 year deal to wait for NJD to have the cap. again, you guys don't have any major money coming off the books in the summer of 2026 and this summer will likely spend your cap to the max, and for longer than 1 season.
Palat's contract ends same time as Quinn so Palat is off the books when Quinn becomes a free agent. That's 6 million guaranteed free money. With Hamilton he will only have 1 year left and it will be very easy to trade him to a team for a pick. It happens all the time. I also don't suspect Hamilton being on the team by then. I have a funny feeling he's traded this off season.
 
That would be the definition of a panic move though, which makes the value diminish. The Canucks aren't at risk of losing Miller for nothing. Wait till the summer after a few teams crash out in the playoffs and want grit and scoring and they prob pay more. Can't be worse the the rumours so far.

Theyre at risk of losing more than miller if they dont come up with a solution to the drama there sooner than later. Deciding to just leave an entire team to spend an indefinite period of time in a locker room with that situation festering while they’re continually dealing with the questions and drama around it is…not a great idea. Certainly isn’t a great selling point to free agents, and it could easily lead other guys to want out just to get away from it. The longer this goes on the more collateral damage it causes. Besides, the need to find a new home for jt or ep isn’t the primary reason offers on jt aren’t great. Yea, the offseason might bring more suitors and a more competitive market in a jt deal, but he also holds the cards on who he’d waive for. More interested parties doesnt necessarily mean a more competitive market unless jt would waive for several of them. Even then, the return will still be underwhelming. The offseason won’t change the fact that he’ll be a 32 yr old making 8m for a lot more years. Teams aren’t offering young players/prospects making way less that have decent to high probability of reaching his level. They aren’t offering high first round picks.

It’s going to be some combo of solid middle/bottom 6 types, bottom 4 dmen, later 1st/2nd picks, non blue chip prospects, underperforming young project players. That…or maybe an exchange for someone else’s overpaid, aging, high cap hit with term. That’s a limited market though and most of them have ntc’s so that has to work on both ends…guys like huberdeau, mika, kadri, nurse, stephenson…or maybe 2 bad contracts with lower cap hits. That’s what’s realistic. Ep is the way to go if they want to max their return value. He’ll get some great pieces - prob a bit more than eichel because of his injury uncertainty, but they’ll be young players who may or may not turn into the same level of player.
 
Palat's contract ends same time as Quinn so Palat is off the books when Quinn becomes a free agent. That's 6 million guaranteed free money. With Hamilton he will only have 1 year left and it will be very easy to trade him to a team for a pick. It happens all the time. I also don't suspect Hamilton being on the team by then. I have a funny feeling he's traded this off season.
You're right. I didn't even check on Hughes term as everyone was saying 1.5 years, so ending in 26 instead of 27 and I didn't question it. Either way, it will be hard for NJD to have the cap in 2027 if they continue to spend in order to compete. Hischier and Mercer also need raises. Maybe even Luke if he signs a bridge.
I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it is hard to imagine they can save the cap needed to sign Hughes, while also trying to compete.
 
So, not the same then. Weird.



NJ could both spend to the cap and not tie their own hands for summer '26. And they have to extend Luke either way, so how does that impact the cap going up potentially $15M in the next two off-seasons?



Again, this is fantasy rather than reality. We're looking at a $97M cap next year, and at least $100M the following year. New Jersey is in great cap position to sign a major UFA that summer, Quinn or not.



Sure, if you trade him now with two years of control. But the closer you let him get to UFA, the lower his value will be. That's how it works.
Actually, thanks to another poster I realized Makar and Hughes are UFA at the same time, in 2.5 years. So yes, exactly the same. I'd even wager they have the same value.

Hischier and Mercer will need raises, and NJD will be spending to the ceiling to compete. They will be hard pressed to afford Quinn. And their GM can't exactly plan his team off Luke and Jack saying "He's guaranteed to come here in 2027"

I really don't see NJD being in a "great" position to sign a UFA of Hughes caliber in 2027. Please enlighten me as to why they might.
 
For shits and giggles, let's do a 3-way trade:

Rangers get Miller and Glass
Penguins get Zibanejad and NYR's lottery protected 1st
Canucks get Chytil and Pettersson

Fairly close cap swaps, with the Penguins adding roughly $2 million while the Rangers are saving roughly $2 million. I don't think this would just be the deal, I think there would need to be picks and prospects added on to even out the value. But generally something like this.
that's close but my sense is the Canucks currently don't want to go less than Chytil, 1st and a prospect for Miller. Maybe at worst they would give up the prospect but not sure they would then be willing to trade a 1st for Pettersson (I would imagine they would rather do a 2nd and a prospect).
 
Theyre at risk of losing more than miller if they dont come up with a solution to the drama there sooner than later. Deciding to just leave an entire team to spend an indefinite period of time in a locker room with that situation festering while they’re continually dealing with the questions and drama around it is…not a great idea. Certainly isn’t a great selling point to free agents, and it could easily lead other guys to want out just to get away from it. The longer this goes on the more collateral damage it causes. Besides, the need to find a new home for jt or ep isn’t the primary reason offers on jt aren’t great. Yea, the offseason might bring more suitors and a more competitive market in a jt deal, but he also holds the cards on who he’d waive for. More interested parties doesnt necessarily mean a more competitive market unless jt would waive for several of them. Even then, the return will still be underwhelming. The offseason won’t change the fact that he’ll be a 32 yr old making 8m for a lot more years. Teams aren’t offering young players/prospects making way less that have decent to high probability of reaching his level. They aren’t offering high first round picks.

It’s going to be some combo of solid middle/bottom 6 types, bottom 4 dmen, later 1st/2nd picks, non blue chip prospects, underperforming young project players. That…or maybe an exchange for someone else’s overpaid, aging, high cap hit with term. That’s a limited market though and most of them have ntc’s so that has to work on both ends…guys like huberdeau, mika, kadri, nurse, stephenson…or maybe 2 bad contracts with lower cap hits. That’s what’s realistic. Ep is the way to go if they want to max their return value. He’ll get some great pieces - prob a bit more than eichel because of his injury uncertainty, but they’ll be young players who may or may not turn into the same level of player.
I take your point but I don't think any of us really know what's going on. So without that information it's difficult for me to want to sign off on moving an all star 1c for bottom of the lineup players.

If Miller is such a problem that it puts the rest of the team at risk why are you then suggesting to trade Petey to get more value? (and keep Miller). It's the two of them that have the issue.

The reality is this trade will dictate whether or not this team is competitive over the next 5 yrs. And whether a guy like Quinn sticks around. Rushing into a terrible offer to save a dressing room situation between two men doesn't sound like the best way to maximize value.

I am resigned to not getting full value on Miller but I don't want a bottom 6 fwd and a bottom pair dman and a pick. What is even the point in that. Those types of players are available in FA and trade for far less all the time.

We'd all like to get this behind us but it's a massive decision and the rumoured returns are laughably bad.

Some other perks of waiting are that other competitive teams may run into a big injury, another teams player may demand a trade for whatever reason, or as I mentioned before a team like say the leafs may just say we are too soft and this isn't working if they go out early in the playoffs again.
 
Hischier and Mercer will need raises, and NJD will be spending to the ceiling to compete. They will be hard pressed to afford Quinn. And their GM can't exactly plan his team off Luke and Jack saying "He's guaranteed to come here in 2027"

You keep repeating this falsity. For one, does this mean any team not spending to $0.01 of the cap is "not competing"? Secondly...

I really don't see NJD being in a "great" position to sign a UFA of Hughes caliber in 2027. Please enlighten me as to why they might.

Palat, Haula, and Dillon all expire before Hughes is a UFA. That's $13M in cap alone, with only Hischier a key UFA they need to sign in that same timeframe (and that's only if they decide he's worth extending). Add in $15M in likely cap increases and you're at $28M.

Hughes would "replace" Dillon. That means they only need two forwards to emerge from their own pipeline for New Jersey to have $25M to split between Hughes and Hischier. There's also the (very strong) possibility the Devils deal Hamilton at some point in the next three years, since Nemec, Casey, and Silyavev will all be knocking on the door. You're up to $34M then. In what world doesn't that work?
 
Know what ... to me .. MILLER IS NOT THE PROBLEM. I mean he is but he is not.

Miller signed a contract before Petterson. It's on management thinking that Petey would be OK signing long term here, knowing they have dislike for each other. Mangement threatened (with a trade) to my understanding to get Petey to sign on the line.

All this time for almost 3 years Miller as been one of are top 3 players. I've seen Petey fall down, sulk far more than I have see Miller not care on the ice. Management thought they had 3 major core pieces and were willing to try and run this S**T storm out hoping they might repeat as conference champs. Idiots. Thats not on Miller. WHen they traded Horvat they choose Miller.

Trade Petey, get 1 for 1 decent and lets move on.

Logan Cooley for Petey
Dobson for Petey
Brady Tachuck for Petey
Nico Hischier who ever .... just do it.

But I know one thing, those I just mentioned probably would be a hard NO right now because Petey a wanker right now. I blame management.

EDIT, NHL top 200 ranking, they have petey .. OMG

102. Alex DeBrincat, F, DET
103. Elias Pettersson, F, VAN
104. Neal Pionk, D, WPG
 
You keep repeating this falsity. For one, does this mean any team not spending to $0.01 of the cap is "not competing"? Secondly...



Palat, Haula, and Dillon all expire before Hughes is a UFA. That's $13M in cap alone, with only Hischier a key UFA they need to sign in that same timeframe (and that's only if they decide he's worth extending). Add in $15M in likely cap increases and you're at $28M.

Hughes would "replace" Dillon. That means they only need two forwards to emerge from their own pipeline for New Jersey to have $25M to split between Hughes and Hischier. There's also the (very strong) possibility the Devils deal Hamilton at some point in the next three years, since Nemec, Casey, and Silyavev will all be knocking on the door. You're up to $34M then. In what world doesn't that work?
So over the next 3 offseasons you see a 15m cap increase and NJD saving it all for Hughes? Hischier and Mercer needing extending. You assume Hamilton will be dealt, but it isn't an easy deal. He has a NMC, so the same threat NYR used on Trouba won't work on him. and who knows if any of the 10 teams he will waive o want him/can afford him.

At best in the 2027 off season NJD have 10m in space available. Potentially less. Maybe hey have more? who knows, but I don't see a future where you guys don't use the extra cap space over the next 2 off seasons to improve the team.
 
Like I said before, both need to go. Chances are, the room is divided, or the single bad apple would have been moved right off the rip. Meaning, that some players likely side with Miller and some with Pettersson. If you only move Miller, there may still be bad blood with the players who sided with him... and they could blame Pettersson, especially if he doesn't pick up his play....... drastically!

Trade them both, and have a clean start in the room with fresh blood. The Canucks will likely take a bath on a Miller deal but will get some nice pieces back for Pettersson.
 
You keep repeating this falsity. For one, does this mean any team not spending to $0.01 of the cap is "not competing"? Secondly...



Palat, Haula, and Dillon all expire before Hughes is a UFA. That's $13M in cap alone, with only Hischier a key UFA they need to sign in that same timeframe (and that's only if they decide he's worth extending). Add in $15M in likely cap increases and you're at $28M.

Hughes would "replace" Dillon. That means they only need two forwards to emerge from their own pipeline for New Jersey to have $25M to split between Hughes and Hischier. There's also the (very strong) possibility the Devils deal Hamilton at some point in the next three years, since Nemec, Casey, and Silyavev will all be knocking on the door. You're up to $34M then. In what world doesn't that work?
Hughes boys spent a lot of years in Toronto. They know what a Canadian market is like. There is no interest in Jersey. It’s more likely, imo because the boys value the hockey market, the three end up in Vancouver together.
 
I hope we see something done come this weekend. Tired of this waiting. You're only prolonging the rot by keeping these 2 in the team.
 
Anyone think Bettman should step in and tell Vancouver to shut up and play?

I don't like that other teams are getting dragged into this fiasco.

Not that much of a big deal but there is no way it hasn't reached Cozens and Byram.

Vancouver needs to get back to playing hockey and keep things internally.
 
Anyone think Bettman should step in and tell Vancouver to shut up and play?

I don't like that other teams are getting dragged into this fiasco.

Not that much of a big deal but there is no way it hasn't reached Cozens and Byram.

Vancouver needs to get back to playing hockey and keep things internally.
Nothing would make the NHL happier than having Miller in NY or Boston facing off vs. Vancouver in the Finals after all this. Ratings dream come true.

I'm looking forward to USA vs. SWEDEN in Boston for the Four Nations more than any other game.
 
Nothing would make the NHL happier than having Miller in NY or Boston facing off vs. Vancouver in the Finals after all this. Ratings dream come true.

I'm looking forward to USA vs. SWEDEN in Boston for the Four Nations more than any other game.

...would be freakin' hilarious to watch Miller throw a "questionable" hit on Petey... 🤣
 
Like I said before, both need to go. Chances are, the room is divided, or the single bad apple would have been moved right off the rip. Meaning, that some players likely side with Miller and some with Pettersson. If you only move Miller, there may still be bad blood with the players who sided with him... and they could blame Pettersson, especially if he doesn't pick up his play....... drastically!

Trade them both, and have a clean start in the room with fresh blood. The Canucks will likely take a bath on a Miller deal but will get some nice pieces back for Pettersson.
You don't know that though. It might be all Miller (likely), or all Pettersson (doubtful).
 
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