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Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

kvladimir said:
Mentioned above, but if it's Pettersson to BUF for a package including Cozens, your top 2 Cs would then be Thompson + Pettersson, so Kulich would not get that spot. Understandable that you like him so much you'd be willing to play him on the wing, but it might be better for BUF to leverage the strength they have at C (they have McLeod as 3C too, so they seem solid there in this scenario).

For VAN/BUF, I estimate (i.e. guess :P) that these 2 packages would be of interest (one with Kulich, the other without):

To BUF: Pettersson, Mynio
To VAN: Cozens, Byram, Kulich

To BUF: Pettersson, Pettersson (D :laugh:), Desharnais
To VAN: Cozens, Power
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If Byram is amenable to an extension then I would hope Buffalo rejects the first offer. The second package is something Buffalo should accept, but I wonder if Vancouver would be willing or able to take on all that salary. Personally, I would be willing to swap out Power for Buffalo's unprotected first pick or Peterka. Not sure if that would be of interest to Vancouver.
 
dickiedunnwrotethis said:
If Byram is amenable to an extension then I would hope Buffalo rejects the first offer. The second package is something Buffalo should accept, but I wonder if Vancouver would be willing or able to take on all that salary. Personally, I would be willing to swap out Power for Buffalo's unprotected first pick or Peterka. Not sure if that would be of interest to Vancouver.
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The cap works for the Power version of the deal: EP + Desharnais = 13.6 + VAN's 2.1M of current cap space = 15.7M, while Cozens + Power = 15.45M

The unprotected 1st is interesting, even if they don't win the lottery with it, that pick could end up 3rd/4th overall, putting VAN in a position to pick Misa or Hagens, which would shore up their C position fairly soon. They could also follow that up with a trade involving Boeser/VAN's '25 1st to address the C position, or flip the BUF 1st for a high-end C or solid C + D combo. Those deals would be facilitated by VAN having much more cap space in that version (10M+). Lots of options...
 
Sabres should be looking at improving their D and goaltending. They are 4th worse in the NHL today and 7th worse in the NHL over the last 3 years.

If I was them, I would be looking for a Barron/Carrier type flip. Someone they can insert that is boring but gets the job done. I don't believe scoring goals is the Sabres problem. I think building team confidence/momentum from team D and solid goaltending is their problem.

There are some parallels with the Sabres and Habs and their D core. Too much youth learning on the job. Sabres rebuild started earlier than the Habs but their D is still very young.

What does trading for Pettersson do? Makes the fans happy in temporarily but what is the strategy here? To win games 6-5?
 


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich

What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
 
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Mittelstadt and Manson for Miller and Deshairnais.

MacKinnon and Miller down the middle would be lethal for Colorado. Miller would take a lot of pressure off of MacKinnon.

It's not going to be easy for Vancouver to move Deshairnais but Colorado will take him if they use it as leverage to get Miller.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Sabres should be looking at improving their D and goaltending. They are 4th worse in the NHL today and 7th worse in the NHL over the last 3 years.

If I was them, I would be looking for a Barron/Carrier type flip. Someone they can insert that is boring but gets the job done. I don't believe scoring goals is the Sabres problem. I think building team confidence/momentum from team D and solid goaltending is their problem.

There are some parallels with the Sabres and Habs and their D core. Too much youth learning on the job. Sabres rebuild started earlier than the Habs but their D is still very young.

What does trading for Pettersson do? Makes the fans happy in temporarily but what is the strategy here? To win games 6-5?
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Sabres goaltending is the least of their worries, but I can understand why people who don’t watch them regularly might think so.

The defense is l poorly constructed and doesn’t work as a unit, like you say. On top of the stylistic issues, they are way too young, still needing years of development before most of them hit their strides.

But they need just as much work at forward too - they need some complete players in the top 6, and guys who aren’t children in the top 6. They also arguably don’t have any proven top 6 centers, and can’t really start competing until the get at least one.

Pettersson absolutely makes sense as a trade target, though I agree that they do still have a good amount of work to do on the blueline in order to make this an actual NHL team.
 
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Doug Prishpreed said:
Sabres goaltending is the least of their worries, but I can understand why people who don’t watch them regularly might think so.

The defense is l poorly constructed and doesn’t work as a unit, like you say. On top of the stylistic issues, they are way too young, still needing years of development before most of them hit their strides.

But they need just as much work at forward too - they need some complete players in the top 6, and guys who aren’t children in the top 6. They also arguably don’t have any proven top 6 centers, and can’t really start competing until the get at least one.

Pettersson absolutely makes sense as a trade target, though I agree that they do still have a good amount of work to do on the blueline in order to make this an actual NHL team.
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I'm sure the Sabres have enough youth and assets to do a Habs type trade (Barron/Carrier) now? Something that doesn't hurt too much but helps that D core now? It's the least they can do
 
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Tv9924 said:


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich

What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
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I don’t think the GM would trade Kulich for anyone, which is probably stupid but probably a sad truth. Dahlin, Tage, Benson, and Kulich all seem to be the GMs untouchables, and I’ve seen rumors that Wahlberg is close too.

I think Peteka and Byram would be on the table though, though I agree not enough
 
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Tv9924 said:


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich

What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
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I can’t imagine there’s anything the Canucks would be willing to add. That would make sense. I know Kulich is valued highly up in Buffalo
 
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Tv9924 said:


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich
You aren’t getting Kulich.
What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
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You aren’t getting Kulich.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Sabres should be looking at improving their D and goaltending. They are 4th worse in the NHL today and 7th worse in the NHL over the last 3 years.

If I was them, I would be looking for a Barron/Carrier type flip. Someone they can insert that is boring but gets the job done. I don't believe scoring goals is the Sabres problem. I think building team confidence/momentum from team D and solid goaltending is their problem.

There are some parallels with the Sabres and Habs and their D core. Too much youth learning on the job. Sabres rebuild started earlier than the Habs but their D is still very young.

What does trading for Pettersson do? Makes the fans happy in temporarily but what is the strategy here? To win games 6-5?
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They have to do both, you also don't take into account that the forwards also have to help the defense, help on the PP and many other things.UPL is probably fine with a normal defense, although it is not a guarantee. The defense needs to be fixed, but the top 6 C is also very important. We traded Mittelstadt and went for Cozens, it did not work. Thompson is not a typical center and he does not even play center now. Cozens was worse at center than Thompson, McLeod and Kulich. The young players in attack are very inconsistent, we had many games where the team could not score and gave up too early. You can not fix only one and just forget about the other, it will not work again, this is Buffalo.
 
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Tv9924 said:


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich

What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
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I agree. The peddled byram and cozens package is not it. Not even with their 1st I'd hope. Not for our best fwd. We seen byrams value, it got mittelstadt, and cozens is a bad contract and not even a center
 
Tv9924 said:


I want absolutely nothing to do with Cozens.

Byram
Peterka
Kulich

What do the Canucks need to send to the Sabres alongside Pettersson to make that deal work? If Sabres fans are absolutely opposed to that trade package, I don't think there's a trade to be made between the two teams. Canucks should not entertain any offers that have Cozens as a major part of the return.
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For me too much. And a strong imbalance of salary in one direction.
 
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thefutures said:
I agree. The peddled byram and cozens package is not it. Not even with their 1st I'd hope. Not for our best fwd. We seen byrams value, it got mittelstadt, and cozens is a bad contract and not even a center
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:laugh: Cozens/Byram/BUF 1st is certainly enough for EP40, assuming that the pick is either unprotected, or only lotto-win protected - mostly because of the value of that pick. VAN (probably) adds a Hagens/Misa/Frondell/Hensler type, or flips the pick for a high-end C, D or C/D combo

Edit: With what I'm seeing from this thread re: Cozens and Kulich, it probably makes more sense for VAN to target Kulich + Byram in a BUF EP40 deal... Gotta give to get
 
kvladimir said:
:laugh: Cozens/Byram/BUF 1st is certainly enough for EP40, assuming that the pick is either unprotected, or only lotto-win protected - mostly because of the value of that pick. VAN (probably) adds a Hagens/Misa/Frondell/Hensler type, or flips the pick for a high-end C, D or C/D combo

Edit: With what I'm seeing from this thread re: Cozens and Kulich, it probably makes more sense for VAN to target Kulich + Byram in a BUF EP40 deal... Gotta give to get
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It's a bad fit for Vancouver. Jt is on the way out too, need a center not picks or overpaid wingers. Unless you want blueger centering line 1. Byram needs a new deal too and he has health risks. To many question marks in every piece
 
Habs Halifax said:
Sabres should be looking at improving their D and goaltending. They are 4th worse in the NHL today and 7th worse in the NHL over the last 3 years.

If I was them, I would be looking for a Barron/Carrier type flip. Someone they can insert that is boring but gets the job done. I don't believe scoring goals is the Sabres problem. I think building team confidence/momentum from team D and solid goaltending is their problem.

There are some parallels with the Sabres and Habs and their D core. Too much youth learning on the job. Sabres rebuild started earlier than the Habs but their D is still very young.

What does trading for Pettersson do? Makes the fans happy in temporarily but what is the strategy here? To win games 6-5?
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Don’t underestimate Buffalo’s current coaching impact on our defense.

Last year this group with more or less the same personal, finished 11th in goals against. Also, the Devils minus Ruff this season are much, much better in that category.
 
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