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Just for fun, the number of future HHOFers on Team Canada 2025

jigglysquishy said:
It's becoming increasingly common.

2024
Roenick
Weber

2023
Turgeon

2022
Luongo
Alfredsson

2020
Wilson
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That’s a shame. Good players these, but HOF should be exclusive. I don’t think someone like Pat Maroon should be in either (even though i started a jokethread about that). HOFers should be players who has: 1. Been very good individually. 2. Won individual awards. 3. Won at least one ring.
 
jigglysquishy said:
It's becoming increasingly common.

2024
Roenick
Weber

2023
Turgeon

2022
Luongo
Alfredsson

2020
Wilson
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To me it’s a pretty simple question. When Marner retires, does he seem out of place in a room with Turgeon, Roenick, Alfredsson?

For reference:
Marner (age 27)
Hardware - 2x 1st All Star Team, Selke finalist
Scoring finishes - 4, 4, 10

Turgeon
Hardware - 1x Byng, one other Byng finalist
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Roenick:
Hardware - not a single thing
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Alfredsson:
Hardware - Byng finalist… uh, a Mark Messier Leadership Award?
Scoring finishes - 4, 7, 9


Now, it’s important to note that all three of these comparables made the Hall based largely on playing 1200+ games and scoring 1100+ points. Marner’s just a little over halfway to those marks, so if he were to slip on a banana peel and never play again he probably doesn’t make the HHOF.

But it’s very hard to imagine a guy who’s never had a major injury and has been PPG+ nearly every season of his career, failing to play just a few hundred more games and score a few hundred more points.

So yes, barring catastrophic injury it’s a fair bet that Marner makes the cut some day. Like it or not, that’s the HHOF we have.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
Dick Duff, Clark Gillies, Kevin Lowe. Inducted entirely based on the teams they played for.

Joe Mullen, Dino Ciccarelli, Dave Andreychuk. Inducted entirely based on stat trends of the 1980s (and in Mullen’s case, being born American).

Leo Boivin, Harry Watson, Bob Pulford. Nostalgia picks.

Edgar Laprade, Cam Neely, Guy Carbonneau. “Trust me bro, if you were there you’d understand”

Shorty Green, Buddy O’Connor, Clint Smith. Literally inducting guys just to make the list of inductees longer.
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add Housley to that 2nd group (possibly with Mullen's caveat an added factor?)
 
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tarheelhockey said:
To me it’s a pretty simple question. When Marner retires, does he seem out of place in a room with Turgeon, Roenick, Alfredsson?

For reference:
Marner (age 27)
Hardware - 2x 1st All Star Team, Selke finalist
Scoring finishes - 4, 4, 10

Turgeon
Hardware - 1x Byng, one other Byng finalist
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Roenick:
Hardware - not a single thing
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Alfredsson:
Hardware - Byng finalist… uh, a Mark Messier Leadership Award?
Scoring finishes - 4, 7, 9


Now, it’s important to note that all three of these comparables made the Hall based largely on playing 1200+ games and scoring 1100+ points. Marner’s just a little over halfway to those marks, so if he were to slip on a banana peel and never play again he probably doesn’t make the HHOF.

But it’s very hard to imagine a guy who’s never had a major injury and has been PPG+ nearly every season of his career, failing to play just a few hundred more games and score a few hundred more points.

So yes, barring catastrophic injury it’s a fair bet that Marner makes the cut some day. Like it or not, that’s the HHOF we have.
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And then it basically comes down to: Has the others been key players in a team that is considered to be Stanley Cup contenders every year?
 
Brunkmeister said:
How many in the HOF lacks individual awards and rings? McDavid will be in despite no rings (so far) cause he have a lot of individual awards. Marner have zero.
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Gilbert Perreault, Brad Park immediately come to mind. Darryl Sittler, Mats Sundin, Peter Stastny, Michel Goulet, Dale Hawerchuk, etc. All of them come to mind as the guys without a Cup or a major award. I am all for the HHOF tightening up its standards but you're talking about a lot of great players that wouldn't get in. Marner already has two 1st team all-stars at RW. He has been an elite player in the NHL for a while. It took a lot of players a long time to do something noticeable in the playoffs. Some of them never did like Dionne.

bobholly39 said:
McDavid, Mack, Crosby, Makar, Doughty are 100% locks. So, 5 players.

In order of likelihood for your other 3 bolds, I'd go: Point, Marner, Marchand for the other 3. Point over Marner due to playoffs, Marner over Marchand for much more consistent prime. Good chance all 3 make it, but not 100%.

Stone is the only non-bolded that could potentially make it. I suppose anyonie could "theoreritcally" make it if they take off, but no one else is on track, nor close.
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Marchand falls into the Getzlaf category. Different type of player, different position, but will likely get into the HHOF because his playoff resume will put him over the top. Plus as a LWer he was a 1st team all-star twice, a 2nd team all-star twice. That's hard to ignore. I know the Hall has left out Leclair and Martin and Brewer among others(?) with at least 4 year end all-star teams but Marchand was really good in the playoffs which Leclair and Martin weren't, and Brewer has such a scattered career at a weak time for top end defensemen in the NHL. It is quite possible at the end of his career the only players with more short handed goals will be Gretzky, Messier, Yzerman and Lemieux. But it is his all around play that also propels him I think.

Marner has just hit the ground running from the get go pretty much. He needs some playoff success but again you've got a winger who plays a two-way game, was a Selke finalist and has pretty much killed penalties his entire career. He's likely to hit some numbers that will be hard to ignore, especially since he has racked up a ton of 90 point seasons so far.

Point doesn't kill penalties, but is still pretty good defensively. Proven to be clutch in his career too. Has the Cups, and coincidentally Tampa didn't win when he was hurt in 2022. We'll see how things shake down.

ORRFForever said:
You're probably right on both of them. I just coloured the players who popped into my head from the list.
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Morrissey has to do the Brent Burns thing in his 30s to have a shot. In other words, his best years have to be now and in the future and he has to score a lot of points, maybe win a Norris, and he might get a longer look. But Burns is not guaranteed himself.
 
tarheelhockey said:
To me it’s a pretty simple question. When Marner retires, does he seem out of place in a room with Turgeon, Roenick, Alfredsson?

For reference:
Marner (age 27)
Hardware - 2x 1st All Star Team, Selke finalist
Scoring finishes - 4, 4, 10

Turgeon
Hardware - 1x Byng, one other Byng finalist
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Roenick:
Hardware - not a single thing
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Alfredsson:
Hardware - Byng finalist… uh, a Mark Messier Leadership Award?
Scoring finishes - 4, 7, 9


Now, it’s important to note that all three of these comparables made the Hall based largely on playing 1200+ games and scoring 1100+ points. Marner’s just a little over halfway to those marks, so if he were to slip on a banana peel and never play again he probably doesn’t make the HHOF.

But it’s very hard to imagine a guy who’s never had a major injury and has been PPG+ nearly every season of his career, failing to play just a few hundred more games and score a few hundred more points.

So yes, barring catastrophic injury it’s a fair bet that Marner makes the cut some day. Like it or not, that’s the HHOF we have.
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I don't think Marner is a guy that by any means will lower the bar for the HHOF. He certainly checks off a lot of the boxes as of right now at age 27, and just based on projection if he keeps doing what he's been doing for a few more years then he is an easy pick.
 
tarheelhockey said:
To me it’s a pretty simple question. When Marner retires, does he seem out of place in a room with Turgeon, Roenick, Alfredsson?

For reference:
Marner (age 27)
Hardware - 2x 1st All Star Team, Selke finalist
Scoring finishes - 4, 4, 10

Turgeon
Hardware - 1x Byng, one other Byng finalist
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Roenick:
Hardware - not a single thing
Scoring finishes - 5, 7

Alfredsson:
Hardware - Byng finalist… uh, a Mark Messier Leadership Award?
Scoring finishes - 4, 7, 9


Now, it’s important to note that all three of these comparables made the Hall based largely on playing 1200+ games and scoring 1100+ points. Marner’s just a little over halfway to those marks, so if he were to slip on a banana peel and never play again he probably doesn’t make the HHOF.

But it’s very hard to imagine a guy who’s never had a major injury and has been PPG+ nearly every season of his career, failing to play just a few hundred more games and score a few hundred more points.

So yes, barring catastrophic injury it’s a fair bet that Marner makes the cut some day. Like it or not, that’s the HHOF we have.
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I don't think any of Turgeon, Roenick or Alfredsson are good comparables for Marner. In my opinion, he's beyond all 3 of them with his prime so far through 9 years, with a good chance for him to increase the gap further.

Using Hockey Reference's Adjusted statistics (I know, not a perfect method by any means - but still should be useful in a quick comparison here to give an idea), if I look at each player's first 9 seasons, Marner is easily ahead.

Marner adjusted stats career to date (minus this year) = 681 points in 576 games, or 1.18 ppg. Pace of 97 points over 82 games. If you include this season (pace of 112 in 82), that puts him a 9 season pace of 1.20 ppg, or 99 points per 82 games.

Turgeon first 9 seasons - 803 points in 750 games, or 1.07 ppg. ~88 points over 82 games

Roenick first 9 season - 623 adjusted points over 596 games, or 1.04 ppg. ~86points over 82 games

Aldredsson. Unlike the other 3 who started at ages ~18-19, he started at age 23.

First 9 seasons - 623 points in 629 games, .99 ppg, 81 points over 82 games.
Best 9 seasons (98-99 to 2007-2008) 1.13 ppg, ~93 points over 82 games.

So in summary for first 9 seasons:

Marner - 99 points per 82 games
Turgeon - 88 points over 82 games
Roenick - 86 points over 82 games
Aldredsson - 81 points over 82 games (goes up to ~93 with best 9 years, vs first 9 years)

Marner is pacing to be well ahead of those 3 players.
 
ORRFForever said:
Stone won a Cup and he's been a huge factor in Vegas hockey so...
I could see them adding him as the first Golden Knight in the HOF.

Having said all that, Stone does take a LOT of "sick days".
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True stones been huge for Vegas hockey, if he didn’t get injured every year and go on LTIR they probably don’t win their cup

Retire his jersey immediately!
 
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