Player Discussion Juraj Slafkovsky Discussion

[Mrb1p]

With Cole still on the wing, I'd still say Slaf can get into 45-50 point range. He's a set up man at this point in his career, so it would depend on how much his linemates can convert. I am still confident that he would generate scoring opportunities with his passing as he does now.

What I can say though is that before Slaf joined Nick's line, he was producing 66 points year. After Slaf was added, he increased production to near PPG one year and above PPG the following year. And I do think Slaf creates space for Nick that other players were not doing.

The question I'd ask: if Nick a ppg centre without both Slaf and Cole on his wings? I am not so sure. This is why I think the relationship is mutually beneficial as opposed to leeching.

He produced at a 65 points rate with RHP and a revolving door of trash. Does he have actual NHL players on his wing? If so yes.

As for Slaf, so you believe Suzuki contributes absolutely nothing to his line, in fact HE is leeching off Slaf and Cole?

 

[Andy]

He produced at a 65 points rate with RHP and a revolving door of trash. Does he have actual NHL players on his wing? If so yes.

He produced 66 points playing 67 games with Cole in 2021. And then 66 points playing 46/82 games with Cole and then 36 games with a revolving door of wingers.

The following two seasons he scored 77 points and 89 points with Cole and Slaf as his wingers.

So again, my question is, does Nick produce at PPG without both Slaf and Cole as wingers?

Nick is a great player, but even great players need other good/great players to produce at a higher level. His production over the last 4 seasons indicates that he benefits from Cole and Slaf as his wingers.

 

[417]

Yes thats what I said. Where does it read that he produced/wouldve produced PPG numbers with replacement level players?

Jesse Ylonen & RHP ARE replacement level players, wouldn't you agree?

So if YOU wrote that Suzuki got 67 playing WITH them, isn't that the conclusion of your argument?

Or maybe, you didn't think this whole thing through before writing it?

 

[Mrb1p]

Jesse Ylonen & RHP ARE replacement level players, wouldn't you agree?

So if YOU wrote that Suzuki got 67 playing WITH them, isn't that the conclusion of your argument?

Or maybe, you didn't think this whole thing through before writing it?

Ah youre wasting my time.

Is 67 points in 82 games "ppg"?

You said that.

A lot of the arguments you make are very confused, i assume because you have poor readiny skills.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Caufield also leeches off Suzuki

Both CC and Slaf did very well these playoffs without Suzuki being a factor.

CC drove that line for most of that first hot streak.

They’re all gonna be better and I can’t wait

 

[417]

Ah youre wasting my time.

Is 67 points in 82 games "ppg"?

You said that.

A lot of the arguments you make are very confused, i assume because you have poor readiny skills.

Are you ok man?

YOU argued that he had 67pts playing WITH RHP and Ylonen (which was false).

You're ENTIRE premise is that Nick Suzuki would be just as productive as he was this past season, WHERE HE WAS A PPG player.

YOU argued this, not me lol

This is what happens when you write cheques your ass can't cash.

 

[Mrb1p]

Both CC and Slaf did very well these playoffs without Suzuki being a factor.

CC drove that line for most of that first hot streak.

They’re all gonna be better and I can’t wait

revisionism.

Suzuki took over game 1.
Caufield took over game 3.
Slaf was good for game 3 and 4.
Caufield was beyond f***ing horrible outside of game 3. His disgusting performance in game 5 is a big reason why were golfing.
Game four was good for the whole line, game 2 was meh for the whole line.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

revisionism.

Suzuki took over game 1.
Caufield took over game 3.
Slaf was good for game 3 and 4.
Caufield was beyond f***ing horrible outside of game 3. His disgusting performance in game 5 is a big reason why were golfing.
Game four was good for the whole line, game 2 was meh for the whole line.

Well there’s only so much they can do when Suzuki’s shut down. They kept us competitive. Caufield had 4 points in 5 games without a functioning centre.

You might be being UNCHARACTERISTICALLY hyperbolic

 

[Mrb1p]

Are you ok man?

YOU argued that he had 67pts playing WITH RHP and Ylonen (which was false).

You're ENTIRE premise is that Nick Suzuki would be just as productive as he was this past season, WHERE HE WAS A PPG player.

YOU argued this, not me lol

This is what happens when you write cheques your ass can't cash.

Youre so confused.

1. You stated that I said "Suzuki would be PPG with replacement level players"
1A. False. I said that Suzuki produced 67 (66*) points with RHP and Ylonen.
1B. Suzuki produced at a 66 points pace with RHP-Ylonen/Anderson/Hotfman in 22-23 for roughly half a season, after Caufield got inured. His PPG didnt change at all while going from Caufield/Dach/Monahan to RHP/Ylonen/Anderson/Hoffman.

 

[Mrb1p]

Well there’s only so much they can do when Suzuki’s shut down. They kept us competitive. Caufield had 4 points in 5 games without a functioning centre.

You might be being UNCHARACTERISTICALLY hyperbolic

WIthout a functioning center?

He had two goals including an incredibly clutch one while still doing his usual excellent two-way play and winning a lot of faceoffs.

Im hyperbolic?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

WIthout a functioning center?

He had two goals including an incredibly clutch one while still doing his usual excellent two-way play and winning a lot of faceoffs.

Im hyperbolic?

He was clearly injured and not at his best.

You were happy with how Suzuki played?

 

[Mrb1p]

He was clearly injured and not at his best.

You were happy with how Suzuki played?

Theres quite a difference between Suzuki is injured and is diminished and what your first post said.

He was still a good player.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Theres quite a difference between Suzuki is injured and is diminished and what your first post said.

He was still a good player.

It’s so funny that you’re doing with Suzuki now is what you say people do with Slaf “he’s not your son” lol

 

[417]

Youre so confused.

1. You stated that I said "Suzuki would be PPG with replacement level players"

No, that's just the logical conclusion of YOUR argument. AGAIN, here's what YOU wrote

"Ill have you believe Nick Suzuki had 67 points with RHP and Jesse Ylonen.

Oh wait no, this actually happened

Suzuki would be a 100+ points player if he had players on his level on his line, Demidov is one."

--------->>>> Player Discussion - Juraj Slafkovsky Discussion

If YOU wrote that Suzuki would be a 100+ points player IF he had players on his level on his line,, right after writing tha the had 67pts with RHP and Ylonen, when he's already achieved 89pts WITH Slafkovsky/Caufield.

Isn't the conclusion of YOUR arguments that he would be a PPG player with just about anyone?

Again, you're writing things, but not actually understanding WHAT you're arguing.

1A. False. I said that Suzuki produced 67 (66*) points with RHP and Ylonen.
1B. Suzuki produced at a 66 points pace with RHP-Ylonen/Anderson/Hotfman in 22-23 for roughly half a season, after Caufield got inured. His PPG didnt change at all while going from Caufield/Dach/Monahan to RHP/Ylonen/Anderson/Hoffman.

You're tap dancing.

 

[Mrb1p]

It’s so funny that you’re doing with Suzuki now is what you say people do with Slaf “he’s not your son” lol

Its pretty sad that people trash Suzuki like this but coddle Slaf like they do.

Fandom is incredibly weird. A bit like the hate Carey Price got daily.

 

[Mrb1p]

No, that's just the logical conclusion of YOUR argument. AGAIN, here's what YOU wrote

"Ill have you believe Nick Suzuki had 67 points with RHP and Jesse Ylonen.

Oh wait no, this actually happened

Suzuki would be a 100+ points player if he had players on his level on his line, Demidov is one."

--------->>>> Player Discussion - Juraj Slafkovsky Discussion

If YOU wrote that Suzuki would be a 100+ points player IF he had players on his level on his line,, right after writing tha the had 67pts with RHP and Ylonen, when he's already achieved 89pts WITH Slafkovsky/Caufield.

Isn't the conclusion of YOUR arguments that he would be a PPG player with just about anyone?

Again, you're writing things, but not actually understand WHAT you're arguing.


You're tap dancing.

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Yea you bore me.

 

[417]

Yea you bore me.

Nah, you played yourself and got checked...now you're backtracking.

Take 5, regroup, and get right back in there my guy!

This time, don't use Ylonen/RHP to prop up your already weak take.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Its pretty sad that people trash Suzuki like this but coddle Slaf like they do.

Fandom is incredibly weird. A bit like the hate Carey Price got daily.

Not what I’m doing at all. He was playing hurt.

You’re doing Suzuki the greater disservice.
Healthy Suzuki wouldn’t have been so neutered. Man’s got Ice water in his veins.

No he wasn’t awful but clearly playing at a diminished capacity.

 

[Mrb1p]

Nah, you played yourself and got checked...now you're backtracking.

Take 5, regroup, and get right back in there my guy!

This time, don't use Ylonen/RHP to prop up your already weak take.

You didnt back check shit you just dont see the difference between a rocket and a shopping cart and you think you can solve quantum physic.

Im done.

 

[Mrb1p]

Not what I’m doing at all. He was playing hurt.

You’re doing Suzuki the greater disservice.
Healthy Suzuki wouldn’t have been so neutered. Man’s got Ice water in his veins.

No he wasn’t awful but clearly playing at a diminished capacity.

Im not talking about you specifically. He wa diminished but he still showed up and played good, we cant say Cole and Slaf were good despite Suzuki.

 

[ahmedou]

Slaf is Family 1st

 

[River Meadow]

Its pretty sad that people trash Suzuki like this but coddle Slaf like they do.

Fandom is incredibly weird. A bit like the hate Carey Price got daily.

Wait until Slaf is 26 and there's a shiny new highly touted prospect in the wings.

My my how the tables will turn.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Im not talking about you specifically. He wa diminished but he still showed up and played good, we cant say Cole and Slaf were good despite Suzuki.

All good. I’m not out for blood here.

I wouldn’t say Suzuki was good. Meh to okay.

But semantics aside that was still a greatly diminished Suzuki. Not the one who willed us to the playoffs before the Chicago game where he clearly got hurt.

They produced despite Suzuki being (relative to his own amazing standards, through no fault of his own) ho hum?

I think that’s fair.

 

[417]

You didnt back check shit you just dont see the difference between a rocket and a shopping cart and you think you can solve quantum physic.

Im done.

This ain’t quantum physics Bill Nye.

Nick Suzuki didn’t get 66pts playing with RHP and Ylonen.

He got 89pts playing with Slafkovsky and Caufield.

It’s as simple as that.

Again, take 5…you be aight man.

 

[Mrb1p]

This ain’t quantum physics Bill Nye.

Nick Suzuki didn’t get 66pts playing with RHP and Ylonen.

He got 89pts playing with Slafkovsky and Caufield.

It’s as simple as that.

Again, take 5…you be aight man.

He spent 37% of his even strength ice time with Caufield. His 2nd most common ES linemate? RHP at 23%.


Up until January 21st:
.8 ppg and .55 at EV.


Caufield got injured on the 21st of january. Nick Suzuki has a .81 PPG and .58 at EV after that