Player Discussion Juraj Slafkovsky Discussion

[DAChampion]

I keep saying there are no objective units of measure of hockey IQ.

Right, people are approximating, which is fine. Real IQ tests are arbitrary weightings of different proxies of intelligence, and have some productive value.

Hockey IQ, as I understand it, is the ability to keep track of other players are and where they're going, and quickly figure out where one should go, pass to, or shoot.

 

[Mrb1p]

So what ?! That's a pretty weak argument. It doesn't mean anything except that they leech off each other and compliment each other very well, resulting in goals that they created together as linemates.

You could very well say the same argument with Rantanen leeching off of Mackinnon and Draisaitl being a product of McDavid if you just look at the stats only. However, if you watch the games you would know that every single one of those players are good players on their own.

Many goals on that Suzuki first line doesn't happen if Slafkovsky didn't perform like he did on many of the plays during the regular season AND ESPECIALLY during the PLAYOFFS... It was clear as daylight like winning a battle on the boards, making that outlet pass to create a quick rush, retrieving the puck with his aggressive forecheck, redirecting a pass/shot in a scrum in front of the net, eliminating an opposing player out of the play, creating space for Cole and Nick with his big body. etc.

Of course those people don't know that if they just stats check and doesn't pay attention to what Juraj does during the games.

Only one player leeches off the other, lets be real.

 

[Goldenhands]

The arrival of Demidov will take alot of pressure off Slaf shoulders. He played some great hockey at the end of the season + playoffs with Demidov in the line-up.

And if KH adds another top 6 center, we will have 2 offensive lines to shut down instead of one, which means better offensive production from everyone.

I would say 70-75 PTS for Slaf and Demidov next year, if we get that 2C of course.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Guys he's not your son, its fine.

He hasn't been good, were making the same excuses we (Including I) made for Kotkaniemi and Mete and Poehling and Galchenyuk and Kostitsyn and Perezhogin and Higgins and ...

Have you noticed that Hutson, Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Koivu, Subban, etc didn't need those excuse ? Theres just levels to players, and Slaf isn't in the second group, he's disappointing, thats all there is to it.

Slaf is light-years ahead of Kotkaniemi, so that's a terrible comparison.

 

[Kojo]

Is Slafkovsky underrated now? Being compared with Kotkaniemi and Mete and Poehling and Galchenyuk and Kostitsyn and Perezhogin and Higgins.

He could make a major jump next year. Are you sure you want to bet against him?

 

[KevSkillz4]

Slaf is light-years ahead of Kotkaniemi, so that's a terrible comparison.

100% agree. Even Galchenyuk. Slaf is a another level of physical beast and already better two-way than both at same age.

 

[417]

Only one player leeches off the other, lets be real.

You're not the biggest Slaf fan and it's the hill you've decided to die on, that's fine.

But to be a Habs fan and having watched this team and suggesting Slaf leeches off Suzuki and Caufield is wild.

Slaf creates a ton of room and does a lot of the dirty work for Suzuki and Caufield to be able to produce like they have, he's not always rewarded with points but to completely ignore and even worse, diminish his role in the success of that line is again, wild.

But hey, it's your hill...

 

[Mrb1p]

You're not the biggest Slaf fan and it's the hill you've decided to die on, that's fine.

But to be a Habs fan and having watched this team and suggesting Slaf leeches off Suzuki and Caufield is wild.

Slaf creates a ton of room and does a lot of the dirty work for Suzuki and Caufield to be able to produce like they have, he's not always rewarded with points but to completely ignore and even worse, diminish his role in the success of that line is again, wild.

But hey, it's your hill...

It doesn't mean Slaf isn't making good things, he is. With that said, he was also pretty much invisible for the first 60 games of the season and was still on pace for about 40 points.

To suggest all three players are equally responsible for this lines success is just completely asinine.

 

[417]

It doesn't mean Slaf isn't making good things, he is. With that said, he was also pretty much invisible for the first 60 games of the season and was still on pace for about 40 points.

You said he leeches off Suzuki and Caufield.

You clearly weren't trying to be complimentary.

To suggest all three players are equally responsible for this lines success is just completely asinine.

I never spoke about a % share of responsibility for the line's success, again, YOU said Slaf leeches off Suzuki and Caufield.

I don't really care to calculate how much one is responsible vs the other, i'm a Habs fan, i'm perfectly happy with having one of the best 1st lines in hockey and I don't need to shit on one of them.

Like I said, that's YOUR hill to die on.

But stop with the "leeching" nonsense, that's what's asinine.

 

[Price is Wright]

If second half Slaf becomes all season Slaf there will be nothing to complain about.

He's improved every season as a player. He's definitely blown by my expectations as I thought he was a mistake to draft first overall. Didn't see him getting to this 50+pt portion until age 23 like Brady.

51 in 79 is a top six winger. He's only 21 so he can improve on that. I would like to see them try a line where Laine gets in his spot while Slaf makes space and a centre not named Suzuki controls the play. That opens up Demidov to play with Caufield and Suzuki.

 

[Mrb1p]

You said he leeches off Suzuki and Caufield.

You clearly weren't trying to be complimentary.

I never spoke about a % share of responsibility for the line's success, again, YOU said Slaf leeches off Suzuki and Caufield.

I don't really care to calculate how much one is responsible vs the other, i'm a Habs fan, i'm perfectly happy with having one of the best 1st lines in hockey and I don't need to shit on one of them.

Like I said, that's YOUR hill to die on.

But stop with the "leeching" nonsense, that's what's asinine.

He does leech off Suzuki, why is this such a bad thing lmao ? Doesn't Hyman leech off McDrai ? The discrepancy between the two player alone should fire up something.

I'm not gonna stop because he does ? Thats so weird. Suzuki is about twice the player Slaf is, he has twice the impact, he produces about double, its normal that he leeches off a much better player. It's not a Markov-Subban type of thing where they both were absolutely elite and they propped each other up.

Sensitive flowers.

 

[Mrb1p]

If second half Slaf becomes all season Slaf there will be nothing to complain about.

He's improved every season as a player. He's definitely blown by my expectations as I thought he was a mistake to draft first overall. Didn't see him getting to this 50+pt portion until age 23 like Brady.

51 in 79 is a top six winger. He's only 21 so he can improve on that. I would like to see them try a line where Laine gets in his spot while Slaf makes space and a centre not named Suzuki controls the play. That opens up Demidov to play with Caufield and Suzuki.

Second half Slaf was real last year but this year, he was "different" for a handful of games, in which he was also different in the early stages of the season (Buffalo game.)

He is for sure a top 6 winger and at 21 the room to grow is still there. I think he's good next to Suzuki, let him grow there and let Suzuki teach him the ways. I liked what I see from Suzuki who's always talking to him. That is, until or if we get an actual elite winger though. I would do Slaf-Suzuki-Demidov.

(Brady was at .63 PPG at 19 years old and never produced lower than this)

 

[417]

He does leech off Suzuki, why is this such a bad thing lmao ? Doesn't Hyman leech off McDrai ? The discrepancy between the two player alone should fire up something.

I don't care about Hyman and McDrai...and you know exactly why you're using the word "leech"

I'm not gonna stop because he does ? Thats so weird. Suzuki is about twice the player Slaf is, he has twice the impact, he produces about double, its normal that he leeches off a much better player. It's not a Markov-Subban type of thing where they both were absolutely elite and they propped each other up.

Yes, it's very weird that you're pitting 1 player against the rest of his line...to prove what exactly?

Who the hell knows.

Sensitive flowers.

Sensitive? Or you're just not that slick ?

 

[417]

Nick Suzuki is an amazing player, our best player...

But what @Mrb1p wants you to believe is that he would have had a career 89pts playing with Caufield and any other warm corpse on the other wing.

Leeching smdh lol

Hey we've got 3 young players who form one of the best lines in the NHL.

Should I be happy about that and just appreciate what they each bring individually and as a collective?

Of course not, let me shit on the one player I've been shitting on since he got drafted because I can no longer call him a bust, i'll just say he's the worst of the 3.

Agenda's are wild.

 

[Kojo]

He does leech off Suzuki

Bro...

Take Slafkovsky off the first line and see how they fare.

Slafkovsky+Demidov > Suzuki+Caufield

Weren't you the guy who wanted Cody Glass instead of Suzuki or is that a different person?

 

[Miller Time]

Nick Suzuki is an amazing player, our best player...

But what @Mrb1p wants you to believe is that he would have had a career 89pts playing with Caufield and any other warm corpse on the other wing.

Leeching smdh lol

Hey we've got 3 young players who form one of the best lines in the NHL.

Should I be happy about that and just appreciate what they each bring individually and as a collective?

Of course not, let me shit on the one player I've been shitting on since he got drafted because I can no longer call him a bust, i'll just say he's the worst of the 3.

Agenda's are wild.

I don't think it's an agenda, it's just a very poor understanding of the sport...

 

[Mrb1p]

I don't care about Hyman and McDrai...and you know exactly why you're using the word "leech"

Yes, it's very weird that you're pitting 1 player against the rest of his line...to prove what exactly?

Who the hell knows.

Sensitive? Or you're just not that slick ?

Caufield also leeches off Suzuki

 

[Mrb1p]

Nick Suzuki is an amazing player, our best player...

But what @Mrb1p wants you to believe is that he would have had a career 89pts playing with Caufield and any other warm corpse on the other wing.

Leeching smdh lol

Hey we've got 3 young players who form one of the best lines in the NHL.

Should I be happy about that and just appreciate what they each bring individually and as a collective?

Of course not, let me shit on the one player I've been shitting on since he got drafted because I can no longer call him a bust, i'll just say he's the worst of the 3.

Agenda's are wild.

Ill have you believe Nick Suzuki had 67 points with RHP and Jesse Ylonen.

Oh wait no, this actually happened

Suzuki would be a 100+ points player if he had players on his level on his line, Demidov is one.

 

[Mrb1p]

Bro...

Take Slafkovsky off the first line and see how they fare.

Slafkovsky+Demidov > Suzuki+Caufield

Weren't you the guy who wanted Cody Glass instead of Suzuki or is that a different person?

No it wasnt me, and even if it was me, that doesnt change the present day. Suzuki is by far the best player on this team and EVERYONE leeches off him.

 

[Andy]

Ill have you believe Nick Suzuki had 67 points with RHP and Jesse Ylonen.

Oh wait no, this actually happened

Suzuki would be a 100+ points player if he had players on his level on his line, Demidov is one.

I'm not sure this is the message you think it's telling me.

What it tells me is that Nick was able to improve his production by 23 points with Cole and Slaf, suggesting that the relationship is symbiotic, rather one of leeching.

If Cole and Slaf were leechers, his production would be the same. But that is not the case, he's production improved from a 66 point player, to 77 and 89 points the following two seasons in which Cole and Slaf became staples on his line.

Sounds like they all benefit from each other.

 

[Mrb1p]

No agenda. The only agenda I have is that I love this team and want success.

I was saying he might flirt with PPG in 24-25 just 12 months ago. The story that I hate Slaf or have an agenda is just so lazy.

I call it like it is, Slaf is young, good and has a lot of potential but he is also disappointing. The world isnt black or white, theres a lot of nuance.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You guys know you're arguing with a guy who said Wright had better hands than Cooley?

 

[417]

Caufield also leeches off Suzuki

 

[Mrb1p]

I'm not sure this is the message you think it's telling me.

What it tells me is that Nick was able to improve his production by 23 points with Cole and Slaf, suggesting that the relationship is symbiotic, rather one of leeching.

If Cole and Slaf were leechers, his production would be the same. But that is not the case, he's production improved from a 66 point player, to 77 and 89 points the following two seasons in which Cole and Slaf became staples on his line.

Sounds like they all benefit from each other.

Well of course better players result in more production. Did you think you just proposed Levenes polynucloetide model by stating this?

He had 77 points with Slaf and Cole last year.

Answer this: how many points would Slaf have if Suzuki vanished from this team?

 

[417]

Ill have you believe Nick Suzuki had 67 points with RHP and Jesse Ylonen.

Oh wait no, this actually happened

Suzuki would be a 100+ points player if he had players on his level on his line, Demidov is one.

Actually, it didn’t .

But who am I to tell you not to believe in you're own fairytales lol