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Mrb1p said:
Outproduced, outmatched, slightly worse linemates, more goals, harder position... Lets be serious.
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Cooley's most common lines EV

25.2% : Schmaltz - Keller - Cooley
24.4% : McBain - Guenther - Cooley
16,6% : Keller - Guenther - Cooley

Cooley's most common lines PP

47.5% : Schmaltz - Keller - Guenther - Cooley

Slaf most common lines EV

62.8% : Suzuki - Caufield - Slaf

Slaf most common lines PP

59.2% : Laine - Suzuki - Caufield - Slaf

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Outside of McBain not sure i'd sy less skilled offensively.
 
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le_sean said:
Like Anthony Martineau said, they tried so many players on the wing of Nick and Cole - Armia, Anderson, Heineman, Newhook, Dach. It never worked. But as soon as they put Slaf on it becomes one of the best lines in the entire league. This isn’t a coincidence.
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This!
If Slaf's hockey IQ was not high he would be disruptive to the first line.
Anybody who claims that Slaf's hockey IQ is lacking has no idea what he/she is talking about.
 
LaP said:
Cooley's most common lines EV

25.2% : Schmaltz - Keller - Cooley
24.4% : McBain - Guenther - Cooley
16,6% : Keller - Guenther - Cooley

Cooley's most common lines PP

47.5% : Schmaltz - Keller - Guenther - Cooley

Slaf most common lines EV

62.8% : Suzuki - Caufield - Slaf

Slaf most common lines PP

59.2% : Laine - Suzuki - Caufield - Slaf

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Outside of McBain not sure i'd sy less skilled offensively.
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Suzukis better, Caufield is better, better.
 
Jaaanosik said:
This!
If Slaf's hockey IQ was not high he would be disruptive to the first line.
Anybody who claims that Slaf's hockey IQ is lacking has no idea what he/she is talking about.
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Hockey IQ is on a spectrum. You would have Boogard at the bottom and Gretzky at the top. He has enough hockey IQ to help a first line, whereas Zubrus or Anderson don’t.
 
Mrb1p said:
Suzukis better, Caufield is better, better.
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Who's helping who?
The last season where Cooley was not in the league and Slaf barely played with his linemates, Cooley's linemates produce exactly the same as this season. Stick anyone in Cooley's place it makes no difference. He's basically a placeholder. Whereas Slaf's linemates massively outproduce with him. (Pr: Pro rated)

Keller: (86) 90, Schmalz (78 Pr) 63= No Cooley: 153 - With Cooley: 153
Suzuki: (66) 89, Caufield (64 Pr) 70= No Slaf: 128 - With Slaf: 159.
Not only that is there the massive outproduction. But because Slaf has been doing all the dirty work that Caufield used to do, Caufield never lost a game from injury with Slaf. He was often out before.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Lets be honest, Cooley is outclassing him too.
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Not really no, Cooley would have finish with 1 or 2 points against Washington and would have been destroyed physically by Wilson and cie. He would be a non factor.

In a redraft, after witnessing what is happening in the playoffs, the Habs need more Slaf being a 1st line winger than they need a Cooley type of player to be a 2nd line center since he will be stuck behind Suzuki for the next 6-7 years.

You also said that you don't see how Slafkovsky as a 21 years old can improve from now on and that he will be a 50 points at most in the future... yeah ok... one of the worst takes I've seen regarding Slafkovsky...
 
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rickthegoon said:
Slaf showed he’s a playoff stud, I don’t understand the negativity.
I have zero worries about his future.
He’s barely out of childhood ; give it time.
It’s pretty apparent the kid hates to lose. That’s a good thing.
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having a player who is able to win so many puck battles and having a real net front presence/threat is going to be so huge moving forward. Especially if he continues to fill out and become stronger in other aspects of his game
 
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rickthegoon said:
Slaf showed he’s a playoff stud, I don’t understand the negativity.
I have zero worries about his future.
He’s barely out of childhood ; give it time.
It’s pretty apparent the kid hates to lose. That’s a good thing.
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Im not sure he showed hes a playoffs stud, but he showed he was a very good player, especially for his age.
 
Kennerback said:
We now have an almost existential need of a RD yesterday. I hope he can make the team out of camp.
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I think he will. But we need more help on the right side.

I’ll be curious to see how the top Sox shakes out. It’s going to be an interesting off season
 
Without Laine next season Slaf will get more looks on the pp, 10 more pp points minimum to go along with 40 EV pts. Which will equal to 65 points and maybe more.
 
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He was and continues to be the right pick 1OA 2022. He is about to break out, he is becoming a young leader.
He does need to start off the season ready to go though.
The past two seasons he has not been overly good early on, that should change with maturity and experience.
 
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Jaaanosik said:
This!
If Slaf's hockey IQ was not high he would be disruptive to the first line.
Anybody who claims that Slaf's hockey IQ is lacking has no idea what he/she is talking about.
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ahum. You are forgiven for making it a black and white issue, this is the new internet.

I have not read his iq is too low to play in the nhl on here ever.

IQ is not his strength; it de-natures him to try and play like a cerebral Suzuki for example, he says so himself, the org says so… old convo.

Many of us see a prototypical winger - use your speed and body, move, crash, read and react. Efficient nervous system, good vision. He then becomes the problem everyone tries to deal with and can use his skills and size in that scenario. It makes their line awesome.

Sport IQ is generally defined as a specific type of intelligence where things like anticipation, deception, game flow and pace come in. Not the same as having a highly efficient nervous system. Both are intelligence metrics. The former is about processing players in movement and always having a projection running live. The latter is how fast you can spot a passing lane once you fetch the puck.

The comments stem from trying to gauge what sets him appart from his peers. It’s not IQ.
 
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Naslundforever said:
ahum. You are forgiven for making it a black and white issue, this is the new internet.

I have not read his iq is too low to play in the nhl on here ever.

IQ is not his strength; it de-natures him to try and play like a cerebral Suzuki for example, he says so himself, the org says so… old convo.

Many of us see a prototypical winger - use your speed and body, move, crash, read and react. Efficient nervous system, good vision. He then becomes the problem everyone tries to deal with and can use his skills and size in that scenario. It makes their line awesome.

Sport IQ is generally defined as a specific type of intelligence where things like anticipation, deception, game flow and pace come in. Not the same as having a highly efficient nervous system. Both are intelligence metrics. The former is about processing players in movement and always having a projection running live. The latter is how fast you can spot a passing lane once you fetch the puck.

The comments stem from trying to gauge what sets him appart from his peers. It’s not IQ.
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I keep saying there are no objective units of measure of hockey IQ.
I am not making it black and white.
Posters saying Slaf's has lower hockey IQ somehow measured it. I am asking how?

The comments stem from trying to gauge what sets him appart from his peers. It’s not IQ.
Who are his peers? Nick and Cole? Yes, agree, he is on the same level of hockey IQ, that's the reason they click. If they were apart they wouldn't click. :)
 
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Jaaanosik said:
I keep saying there are no objective units of measure of hockey IQ.
I am not making it black and white.
Posters saying Slaf's has lower hockey IQ somehow measured it. I am asking how?

The comments stem from trying to gauge what sets him appart from his peers. It’s not IQ.
Who are his peers? Nick and Cole? Yes, agree, he is on the same level of hockey IQ, that's the reason they click. If they were apart they wouldn't click. :)
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When you watch Hutson, Suzuki and Demidov and when you watch Slafkovsky, you can't discern some kind of difference in the way they approach the game ? In the way they process the information in front of them ?

These guys process the game insanely quickly, Slaf does not. Therefore...
 
Mrb1p said:
When you watch Hutson, Suzuki and Demidov and when you watch Slafkovsky, you can't discern some kind of difference in the way they approach the game ? In the way they process the information in front of them ?

These guys process the game insanely quickly, Slaf does not. Therefore...
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Slaf with a Demidov/Hutson processor is a generational talent
 
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Mrb1p said:
When you watch Hutson, Suzuki and Demidov and when you watch Slafkovsky, you can't discern some kind of difference in the way they approach the game ? In the way they process the information in front of them ?

These guys process the game insanely quickly, Slaf does not. Therefore...
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Slaf with those qualities is Mario Lemieux
 
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