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Mrb1p said:
The reality is we have
A. Statistical evidence.
B. Visual evidence.

We dont know but we do have a good idea.
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I don't know.

Slaf main problem is consistency. When he's on top of his game he is a 60-70 points big winger who play a very disruptive and focussed game that all teams would take in their lineup today. One that will only get better with physical maturity in 2-3 years. When he's not he's a tentative winger who plays on the back foot and looks afraid to put pressure and forecheck and looks lost on the ice. It's honestly very hard to know if he'll be able to find the consistency in his game.
 
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Mrb1p said:
The point is that the production argument isnt anything great. All those players also have similar production to players like Galchenyuk and Yakupov, Slaf could take A or B, and if I recall correctly, a lot of people, myself included, were using similar arguments to defend Galchenyuk.

We should just remain factual.
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Or Slaf can take routes C or D. It doesn’t have to be Yakupov or Galchenyuk or anyone.

You are all way too obsessed with seeing a 1OA label, and then trying to project a career path, based on production per year to other 1OAs, but life doesn’t work like that.

Above I pointed to Mak, Laf, Hischier and RNH as 1oas with similar year 2 and 3 productions and these four players couldn’t be different from each other. None of taken the Galchenyuk or Yakupov oath because there isn’t just two paths.

Also lost in all this is that Slaf is a vastly superior overall player to either of the comparisons you made (Yakupov and Galchenyuk), making the comparison meaningless. His engagement is also vastly superior to both players.

it's just nonsense that the routes he has is galchenyuk or yakupov because point totals are similar.
 
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Mrb1p said:
The reality is we have
A. Statistical evidence.
B. Visual evidence.

We dont know but we do have a good idea.
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The statistical evidence puts him on a path to players who have ended up in different destinations

The visual evidence points to a player who is still lending consistency, but who also has shown the ability to tilt a game when he is on. We’ve seen the potential, and we’ve seen for a sizeable number of games as well. It just hasn’t been there on a night to night basis, which is normal for youth.


Caufield had to learn consistency. So did Nick. The idea that this is uniquely a Slaf problem is so misleading
 
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the supposed worst 1OA whose only paths are Yakupov or Gachenyuk.

Thornton had a statistically inferior D+1 year
Laf, Mackinon, RNH and Thornton had a statistically inferior D+2 year
Laf and Hischier had a statistically inferior D+3 year

I know I said "inferior", but we're really talking about a handful of goals and points after the D+1 year in terms of difference.

And these are just points. Slaf is already a responsible winger who is able to keep pace with his 1st line, line mates and who plays very well without the puck. He turned 21 less than a month ago.

The comparisons to Yakupov is just flat out nonsense, and Galchenyuk wishes he had 1/10th of Slaf's game when the puck was not on his stick. And I'm not even counting Slaf's puck retrieval and protection game which is criminally underrated on this board. The amount of successful digging he does for Cole and Nick is incredible.
 

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Mrb1p said:
Hossa had a season of 75 pts at Slafs age and had multiple 90+ points season in thr DPE while being one of the best defensive player in the league.

You may want to reconsider his upside.
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Juraj Slafkovsky just turned 21 two weeks ago and already has two 50+ point seasons in the NHL.

As a Ducks fan, I can tell you that neither Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry or Bobby Ryan had played a full season in the NHL at the same age.

Slafkovsky most likely won't turn out to have a career as good as Getzlaf's, or have the peak what Perry had, but in no way is he behind the curve for young power forwards or big bodied scoring forwards. Considering Slafkovsky was rushed into the NHL in his first year and dealt with injury, I'd say he's on pretty good track.
 
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Elvs said:
Juraj Slafkovsky just turned 21 two weeks ago and already has two 50+ point seasons in the NHL.

As a Ducks fan, I can tell you that neither Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry or Bobby Ryan had played a full season in the NHL at the same age.

Slafkovsky most likely won't turn out to have a career as good as Getzlaf's, or have the peak what Perry had, but in no way is he behind the curve for young power forwards or big bodied scoring forwards. Considering Slafkovsky was rushed into the NHL in his first year and dealt with injury, I'd say he's on pretty good track.
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It was irresponsible to rush him in when it was clear he was not ready for the NHL
 
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LaP said:
The biggest problem of our PP is the lack of a strong slap shot from the blue line. It's easy to defend against cause the other teams know a goal wont be scored from the blue line.

Our entire defense scored 2 PPG this season. And one of them was not scored from the blue line. Our defense scored 18 PPG in 2010-211.

Goals scored by dmen in PP :

2010-11 : 18
2011-12 : 10
2012-13 : 15 (lockout 48 games)
2013-14 : 7
2014-15 :12
2015-16 : 8
2016-17 : 17
2017-18 : 9
2018-19 : 9
2019-10 : 6 (71 games)
2020-21 : 9 (56 games)
2021-22 : 1
2022-23 : 3
2023-24 : 6
2024-25 : 2

A net presence wont help us if we don't have that shot from the blue line.
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Yup, what's Slaf supposed to do with Lane's 3km/h floater?
 
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LaP said:
The biggest problem of our PP is the lack of a strong slap shot from the blue line. It's easy to defend against cause the other teams know a goal wont be scored from the blue line.

Our entire defense scored 2 PPG this season. And one of them was not scored from the blue line. Our defense scored 18 PPG in 2010-211.

Goals scored by dmen in PP :

2010-11 : 18
2011-12 : 10
2012-13 : 15 (lockout 48 games)
2013-14 : 7
2014-15 :12
2015-16 : 8
2016-17 : 17
2017-18 : 9
2018-19 : 9
2019-10 : 6 (71 games)
2020-21 : 9 (56 games)
2021-22 : 1
2022-23 : 3
2023-24 : 6
2024-25 : 2

A net presence wont help us if we don't have that shot from the blue line.
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Thats not a good analysis. Laine plays LD on the PP, of course well score less than with two Ds. Laine isnt any worse of a shot than Souray/Subban and Lane isnt any worse of a shot than Markov.

We dont even play the same PP scheme as those 2010s teams.

Other teams that play the same scheme as us use Hedman, Josi, Carlson/Chyrchrun and none of them have more than 5 PP goals.

The problem lies in the four man box outside of Laine, theres no threat to score down low so they can open up the Laine option and force the puck to him and move the box quickly to take away shooting lanes.
 
Andy said:
Slaf has had 10 goals, 20 points and 60 shots in 25 games since four nations. That is a 32goal and 65 point pace. For reference, Caufield also has 20 points, 11 goals and 67 shots in the same time frame.

Not sure why you just chose the last 6 games.

The scrutiny over Slaf is quite intense and the narrative of his detractors is not quite lining up with his performance. In fact, we're at the point where folks are underselling his contributions to the first line.
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Literally every cutoff is arbitrary, The games are getting more important and he's disappeared. Caufield has sucked ass too, I've been saying it for awhile.
 
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