Player Discussion Juraj Slafkovsky discussion

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50 pts per season rate so far in his 19 and 20 years old, that's a very solid production.

I'm very confident that Juraj will put 70 pts+ per season when he is going to put all together with consistency.

This guy can already play on top 6, but he have all tools to become a very good 1st line player, with two-way and physical ability.

Beast incoming, for sure.

Just be patient and he will prove that he can become a dominant player in this league.
Too soon to say dominant I think, just like it’s too soon to call him a bust.

Again though, assume he’s the 4th best player in the draft with us also having Hutson. That’s a great draft. Wright and Cooley may blow the doors off, we don’t know. But it doesn’t really matter especially since we got Hutson.

At minimum a he’ll be a good second liner. At best a solid physical first.
 
Too soon to say dominant I think, just like it’s too soon to call him a bust.

Again though, assume he’s the 4th best player in the draft with us also having Hutson. That’s a great draft. Wright and Cooley may blow the doors off, we don’t know. But it doesn’t really matter especially since we got Hutson.

At minimum a he’ll be a good second liner. At best a solid physical first.

Yeah, it's soon. But after a great summer and next year he will hit his new contract, maybe that will be a wake up call.

He having some dominate games this year and last year.

He just need to be more consistent.

We will see, but I'm very sure that the type of person is this guy, he want to become the best version of himself!!
 
Too soon to say dominant I think, just like it’s too soon to call him a bust.

Again though, assume he’s the 4th best player in the draft with us also having Hutson. That’s a great draft. Wright and Cooley may blow the doors off, we don’t know. But it doesn’t really matter especially since we got Hutson.

At minimum a he’ll be a good second liner. At best a solid physical first.
A bit funny to see this now after all the celebration posts from last year on how we were so lucky we didn’t pick Wright.

It still way too early to call, but I remember posters putting Slaf on a pedestal just because we rushed him to the NHL before the others. I still think Wright will end up the best player not named Hutson from that draft.
 
A bit funny to see this now after all the celebration posts from last year on how we were so lucky we didn’t pick Wright.

It still way too early to call, but I remember posters putting Slaf on a pedestal just because we rushed him to the NHL before the others. I still think Wright will end up the best player not named Hutson from that draft.
It’s way too early to call. As I said it’ll be years before we know.

That being said, as of today I’m good with Slaf. He may not be as productive points wise as Cooley but we need his size and the potential for a really good physical player is there.

Ask me next year though and I may give a completely different answer.

(I wanted us to draft Wright btw.)
 
It’s way too early to call. As I said it’ll be years before we know.

That being said, as of today I’m good with Slaf. He may not be as productive points wise as Cooley but we need his size and the potential for a really good physical player is there.

Ask me next year though and I may give a completely different answer.

(I wanted us to draft Wright btw.)
Yes, I know you did. The book is still out. I judged Slaf prematurely myself. I felt like he looked way over his head and then he responded with a dominant 2nd half. He’s not necessarily having a terrible year, but if by lying if I said I didn’t expect more. I consider the year to be a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping for big things from Slaf, Newhook, Dach, Hutson etc. The only one that has exceeded expectations was Hutson. Dach gets a mulligan, but I’m still not crazy about his game at all.
 
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Yes, I know you did. The book is still out. I judged Slaf prematurely myself. I felt like he looked way over his head and then he responded with a dominant 2nd half. He’s not necessarily having a terrible year, but if by lying if I said I didn’t expect more. I consider the year to be a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping for big things from Slaf, Newhook, Dach, Hutson etc. The only one that has exceeded expectations was Hutson. Dach gets a mulligan, but I’m still not crazy about his game at all.
I feel the same way.
 
I've been thinking about the impact Brady Tkachuk had in a best on best tournament and the meaning of it when it comes to the value of power forwards in the NHL.

I was mostly thinking about what would be the chances Slaf could develop into that type of player for the Habs. He definitely has potential in all 3 of skill, skating and strength for it. I really hope a lightbulb went off in his head watching the Tkachuk bros throughout the tournament.
 
I've been thinking about the impact Brady Tkachuk had in a best on best tournament and the meaning of it when it comes to the value of power forwards in the NHL.

I was mostly thinking about what would be the chances Slaf could develop into that type of player for the Habs. He definitely has potential in all 3 of skill, skating and strength for it. I really hope a lightbulb went off in his head watching the Tkachuk bros throughout the tournament.
It’s not his game and tbh I don’t think it ever will be. It’s very hard to change a 20 year old after he’s been playing a certain way his entire life. TBH, I think it would be a mistake to try to force this on him. A good leadership group would try to highlight his strengths and work on him being able to utilize those to his best ability. Changing who he is fundamentally seems like a recipe for disaster, rumour is Hughes told him to start playing like a power forward. I was a bit disappointed to hear that.
 
It’s not his game and tbh I don’t think it ever will be. It’s very hard to change a 20 year old after he’s been playing a certain way his entire life. TBH, I think it would be a mistake to try to force this on him. A good leadership group would try to highlight his strengths and work on him being able to utilize those to his best ability. Changing who he is fundamentally seems like a recipe for disaster, rumour is Hughes told him to start playing like a power forward. I was a bit disappointed to hear that.
I agree with that, he needs to play his game, but that doesn't mean his game can't evolve as he adds a few more elements to it. I doubt Hughes drafted him to be a skill guy, he drafted him to be a monster power forward with skill. I'm not asking him to fight and be a pest but I'd like to see him incorporate a certain level of physicality as a core part of him game.
 
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Took a look at how Slaf is actually doing vs his contemporaries.

He’s 1st in points in his class. (Cooley will soon pass him)

Only 8 players from the previous draft have more points

Only ten players from the 2020 draft have more points

Connor Bedard from the 2023 draft has more points.

He’s doing fine. In the 2022 draft the only players I see who might be better right now are Hutson, Cooley and Wright. More may emerge but as of now that’s it. Let’s assume Wright and Cooley turn out better. That makes him the 3rd best and we got Hutson (hands down the best player in the draft) to go with him.

50 points a year isn’t bad at all for a player his age. For reference Suzuki and Caufield were just breaking into the league at the same age. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be disappointed in this season. I think we all expected more. But he’s hardly a disaster. And he could very well end up as the 2nd best in the draft behind Hutson. Cooley looks like he may make that difficult though. :)
The exact same argument could be made for Galchenyuk circa 2015

He was also leading his draft class in every statistical category, but that’s because he had a 50+ game head start on everyone

Rushing him to the NHL has proven to be a bad thing for his development as players below him who took a longer path are having more success in the NHL
 
The exact same argument could be made for Galchenyuk circa 2015

He was also leading his draft class in every statistical category, but that’s because he had a 50+ game head start on everyone

Rushing him to the NHL has proven to be a bad thing for his development as players below him who took a longer path are having more success in the NHL
I always use 2003 draft class as the example:

D+3 - Eric Stall was the BPA
D+5 - Carter / Richards
D+10 - Getzlaf / Perry / Weber
D+15 - Bergeron / Pavelski were the clear cut BPA

Galchenyuk simply followed the Mike Richards path… they were their own downfall… lack of maturity & professionalism
 
The exact same argument could be made for Galchenyuk circa 2015

He was also leading his draft class in every statistical category, but that’s because he had a 50+ game head start on everyone
He was the right pick. It was a weak draft but he had talent.

Yeah, he had his issues but I’ve never seen a prospect so badly misused in my life.
Rushing him to the NHL has proven to be a bad thing for his development as players below him who took a longer path are having more success in the NHL
I wasn’t in favour or Slaf being rushed: but he looked fantastic at the end of the year. I think the “rushed” thing is an aside at this point.
 
Okay but the narrative is that he’s struggling. No he’s not. Not relative to his class or previous classes. He’s fine.

And I addressed the Galchenyuk stuff already.

Tbf,

Other teams decided not to just stuff their top drafted prospects into the NHL (Cooley, Wright, etc) like Montreal did with Slaf.

Slaf will have more points naturally as he's just played way more games at this point.
 
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Tbf,

Other teams decided not to just stuff their top drafted prospects into the NHL (Cooley, Wright, etc) like Montreal did with Slaf.

Slaf will have more points naturally as he's just played way more games at this point.
Right. But why is there the hand wringing right now? He’s at the top of his class.

Moreover if it’s too early to say he’s among the best then why isn’t it too early for all the stupid nonsense that’s being posted about him?

Pick a lane.

Either he’s the best in that draft and he’s doing amazingly well or it’s too early to know.
 
Right. But why is there the hand wringing right now? He’s at the top of his class.

Moreover if it’s too early to say he’s among the best then why isn’t it too early for all the stupid nonsense that’s being posted about him?

Pick a lane.

I think people can be disappointed with his play,

It doesn't mean he's gonna be a bust or is never gonna get better or even that he isn't gonna become the next big thing in hockey..
 
I think people can be disappointed with his play,
Sure. I am too. But that’s because he finished so strong last year. My expectations were raised.
It doesn't mean he's gonna be a bust or is never gonna get better or even that he isn't gonna become the next big thing in hockey..
Right. So why are some posters drawing the conclusion (or suggesting) that this is all he’s ever going to be? He’s a 20 year old player. Comparing him to Suzuki and Caufiled is dumb. They were just breaking into the league at this stage.

I’m going to say this again. The guy is nowhere near his prime. He has years to get there. People need to relax a bit and realize that prospects take time to develop and the line isn’t always a straight one. He’s going to take some steps back and forward. He’s a really, really young player.

But 50 last year and pacing for 50 now, that’s not bad.
 
Sure. I am too. But that’s because he finished so strong last year. My expectations were raised.

Right. So why are some posters drawing the conclusion (or suggesting) that this is all he’s ever going to be? He’s a 20 year old player. Comparing him to Suzuki and Caufiled is dumb. They were just breaking into the league at this stage.

I’m going to say this again. The guy is nowhere near his prime. He has years to get there. People need to relax a bit and realize that prospects take time to develop and the line isn’t always a straight one. He’s going to take some steps back and forward. He’s a really, really young player.

But 50 last year and pacing for 50 now, that’s not bad.

True.

My biggest annoyances are with the Montreal management, who IMO, rushed Slaf because he was drafted so high.

I bet if we had the same management team as we had with KK, Slaf would have spent at least some time in the AHL initially.
 
True.

My biggest annoyances are with the Montreal management, who IMO, rushed Slaf because he was drafted so high.

I bet if we had the same management team as we had with KK, Slaf would have spent at least some time in the AHL initially.

...Timmins told Bergevin that KK was a "long-term project" and Bergevin still rushed him into the NHL that first year...no, they'd have done the same thing...
 
...Timmins told Bergevin that KK was a "long-term project" and Bergevin still rushed him into the NHL that first year...no, they'd have done the same thing...

Yeah but Bergevin saw what that yielded, which is why I say if Bergy was still here he likely learnt his lesson...
 
only reason people are disappointed is cus he went #1 OA and we didn't end up with someone like McDavid etc, for reference draft +3 (where Slaf is currently) was Suzuki's 1st season in the NHL and both him and Slaf are about the same caliber of player at the same age, I don't think people would be disappointed if we picked Suzuki #1 OA in Slaf's draft year

let the kid go to work and lets see what he does in the next 2 seasons, those are gonna be the decider years, he has the work ethic/drive and skill and that's what really matters, it's not easy to go #1 OA to MTL and start ur career off with a young team
 
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...it's Marc F**KIN' Bergevin; he didn't learn anything in his entire time with Montreal except "Pricer, stop da puck" and now there's no Pricer...

I mean..

I get he wasn't the best GM we've ever had, and he's not necessarily an 'educated' guy and whatnot,

But still, it doesn't mean he's not a reasonable person and incapable of learning from his mistakes.
 
I mean..

I get he wasn't the best GM we've ever had, and he's not necessarily an 'educated' guy and whatnot,

But still, it doesn't mean he's not a reasonable person and incapable of learning from his mistakes.

...you were around for the years he was GM, right??...so you, or anyone else that watched the HMCS Bargain Bin smash into iceberg after iceberg, can answer this question quite definitively... :thumbu:
 

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