Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)

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SeanMoneyHands

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If Vancouver went from Miller to Zibanejad, that's a huge downgrade. Miller is the motor of the Canucks offense. He shuts down top lines night after night, faces the toughest matchups and is one of their core leaders.
 

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If Vancouver went from Miller to Zibanejad, that's a huge downgrade. Miller is the motor of the Canucks offense. He shuts down top lines night after night, faces the toughest matchups and is one of their core leaders.
Idk about shutting opposing top lines down night after night. I’ve seen several Canucks games this year and some of his backchecks would make Panarin blush.
 

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Reading most Vancouver fans in here is hilarious

If your guy with a full NMC is forcing the trade out, you aren't getting what you think you are. Most of these proposal wouldn't get you what you are writing if the guy had zero trade protection at all
Who says Miller is forcing his way out? This idea of Miller going to the Rangers is entirely based on the rumours that Drury is interested in Miller and has been for years.
 
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Lindholm who couldnt hold Millers shadow went for :

1st, 4th, Hunter Bruz

I believe that is the most recent trade of a high profiled Centre. I could be wrong.


Miller is going to return a Centre no matter what. There's other choice. I think theres going to be a huge demand for Miller. Especially teams looking for an Alpha and a culture change along with what Miller brings on the ice.

Some Centres I can see returning in a Miller trade as part of a package:


Zibanejad/Chytil
Cozens/Thompson
Necas/Jarvis
Barzal
Laughton/Frost
What about breaking the internet and Lindholm/Carlo and Lysell for Miller? C who played great last playoffs to align with EP40, a top four RHD and a young prospect who played for the Giants and is finally playing NHL game the Bruins wanted.
 

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If Miller is going to NYR then salary needs to come back but Zib ain't it. To move his contract would require sending back major assets to offset that.

It can be done but Rangers gonna have to give up a ton in order to make it happen.
That’s the problem with making this type of a trade. Usually when these trades are made, the team trading Miller in this example, is going younger and they don’t need instant gratification type players in return. They get under 23s or picks/prospects. The Canucks want that instant player, but with Miller picking where he’s gonna land, they’re screwed unless they can broker a third team in this, who will take Zibanejad. If not, they’re almost forced to take him, and who knows, maybe he reverts to who he was 2 years ago, and the expected issues never transpire, everyone is happy.

On the Rangers end of things, that’s almost a perfect trade for them right now, because under normal conditions for a trade like this, they’re including a package of 3 under 23 assets. If they did that today, and Miller doesn’t work out, it could really set them up for a bad run of years. They don’t have much depth in their system, and have lots of prospects people might know by name, but scouts have reservations about. So they miss with 1-2 of these prospects, and send 2 for Miller, they’re system is empty and their roster gets old really fast. So they should be all over a Zib for JT Miller deal.

What’s even crazier right now is, Vancouver will likely want more than that from the Rangers, and likely would get a K Miller as well. A kid who’s likely on his way out anyway, as he’s not taken that next step, and he’s Arbitration Eligible this summer. Fully expect him traded anyway, prior to the deadline. Also expect him to flourish somewhere else with more opportunity.

Whatever the case, the Rangers being the team of Miller’s choice, hold a lot of the cards here, but won’t be getting this done for just Zibanejad straight up. The Canucks would just back away, unless this situation is much worse than we know. I just dont see the Canucks ok with Zibanejad. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Good bet, the Rangers are currently trying to find a taker for Zibanejad, so he’s not that player ending up in Vancouver. Problem is, he’s gonna choose where he’s gonna go too. What if he says, “Vancouver sounds really nice, and that’s where I’m willing to go?”

Can they get him to go to one of the other Swede friendly teams? Probably, but with his contract, they’re taking money back AND likely have to include something else. Then we don’t even know if those pieces they get would interest the Canucks.

It’s a mess. I’m gonna guess nothing comes of this Rangers thing, unless they can pawn Zibanejad off on another team. I bet Miller ends up somewhere like Columbus, surprising everyone.
 

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Miller is going nowhere.

"heartbeat of the team" to nagging injuries and some mental health crap that has plagued his season to derp lets trade Miller.

Simpletons
 
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So then maybe your fans should drop the idea of Miller to the Rangers.

This thread was started by a fan of your team. Your fans keep asking for our best younger players. Your fanbase wants to dump your trash and fleece us.

If Zibanejad isn't involved, we aren't trading for Miller. Think it's that simple.
You may recall, it is multiple national reporters that have been saying Drury is hard after Miller, going back to November. Fans are just trying to fill in the gap, but I don't think you can claim Van fans started this.
 

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Reading most Vancouver fans in here is hilarious

If your guy with a full NMC is forcing the trade out, you aren't getting what you think you are. Most of these proposal wouldn't get you what you are writing if the guy had zero trade protection at all
What's hilarious is NYR fans thinking Zib has value and anyone wants him .
 

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Are things really that bad that the two can’t make things work? What are they even fighting about. Sounds like it’s about petty differences.

If you go by Allvin and Richardson, it seems to be personality type. JTM apparently will get on your case if you’re not being a good pro - preparing, playing the right way, performing. He’s like a drill sargent. But for EP, this has a negative effect apparently - he withdraws more.
 
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NHL players don't care about about super high taxes unlike us civilians.

That is incredibly untrue. NHL agents/gms/players and accountants repeatedly say it is an important factor and they take less gross pay to come out with the same net.

For NHL players in the 10 million range it can be a million a year.
 
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A third team would have to be in the mix then, perhaps a team like Chicago would be interested in Zib however I doubt he waives for them.
Are you guys going to retain on Zibanejad until 2030 + give up other significant assets to get rid of him? Otherwise, neither Chicago nor any other team would have interest in taking that on.
 

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We're not begging you to take him. If we're going to move one of Pettersson/Miller, then I would prefer that it be Miller. The Rangers have been interested in the past, thus rumours start. There's no begging though.

Desharnais on the other hand is someone I'd beg for a team to take.



No chance Willander is move unless it's a guaranteed top 5 pick
There is no "guaranteed" top-5 pick but the closest you'll get to that is the NYR 1st this season. Like I said, currently sitting at #6.

Jesus christ miller and willander with the nucks still taking zib full freight. Smh
You'd be getting Schneider and most likely the Rangers lottery pick. That's more than enough for some greedy Nucks fans.
 

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Are you guys going to retain on Zibanejad until 2030 + give up other significant assets to get rid of him? Otherwise, neither Chicago nor any other team would have interest in taking that on.

how can his value have tanked that bad in half a season.

I think it would be a Trouba type deal.
But a 70-90pt 2 way right handed C signed for about 9% of a rising cap isn’t terrible.
 
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If Nucks trade him I would assume they would want a centre back in the trade as part of the return
Unless the Canucks think Chytil can last well being his current contract, then the Rangers aren't a match. They have like one center prospect in their organization (Noah Laba) who is anything above a fourth liner. Laba is going to be given an opportunity as soon as next fall.
 

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JT Miller is a beast. Power forward who shuts down McDavid, can pass or shoot, hits hard and often, puts up 100 pts, and drags those with him through the battle. He is a player you win with in the playoffs.

If we were getting this JTM, there’s no way he’d ever be traded. The problem is it’s impossible for him to keep up this level of intensity, which is emotionally driven. And his keeping teammates accountable can wear thin when he’s being the bad, inconsistent JTM.

There’s a very good chance a change of scenery gets him back to being the good JTM, who is exactly what the Rags need to turn their season around and Drury knows it. That JTM won’t last more than 2 seasons, maybe more likely 1.5, but it would for sure be worth it for the Rags to give it 1-2 more shots with this core.

Rags fans have no idea the kind of unicorn they could be getting here.
 

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JT + Hoglander for Kreider and Schneider? Not sure how the money works and draft pick capital but Zibanejad should not be a part of these discussions lol. Negative trade value. Kreider would be a much better fit
 

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It’s likely correlated with why Rangers fans are so eager to get rid of him.

I'm not eager to get rid of him at all. He will undoubtedly bounce back; he needs a solid off-season to rejuvenate. Rangers have played a lot of playoff hockey the last 3 years. I think that's something a lot of people aren't factoring in to their current situation. They look like a team that's been thru some recent wars, because they are.

Do I think he's a 90 point player next season? No. But he'll be back to his 35/35 self if not better.
 
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JT Miller is a beast. Power forward who shuts down McDavid, can pass or shoot, hits hard and often, puts up 100 pts, and drags those with him through the battle. He is a player you win with in the playoffs.

If we were getting this JTM, there’s no way he’d ever be traded. The problem is it’s impossible for him to keep up this level of intensity, which is emotionally driven. And his keeping teammates accountable can wear thin when he’s being the bad, inconsistent JTM.

There’s a very good chance a change of scenery gets him back to being the good JTM, who is exactly what the Rags need to turn their season around and Drury knows it. That JTM won’t last more than 2 seasons, maybe more likely 1.5, but it would for sure be worth it for the Rags to give it 1-2 more shots with this core.

Rags fans have no idea the kind of unicorn they could be getting here.
Agreed 100% and it also lines up with Elliot Friedman talking about how Drury is looking to make a big splash sometime soon to get the locker-room going and get their heads straight.

The problem is fans assuming J.T. at age 31 is going to be worth Lafreniere + Schneider + Chytil + Perreault + the 6th OVR 1st. At this point the Rangers might as well throw in Adam Fox to make Vancouver fans feel fat & happy. I understand wanting decent value back for a captain tier player like Miller but if he is actually being moved he's not nearly returning the full value anyone here thinks barring a manic episode from Drury, doubly so if Miller is actually now personally asking out.

This is what brings Zibanejad into the conversation, dealing with Patrik Allvin, dealing with a city that has a slight obsession with Swedes, dealing with a player on a very similar contract, and doing as much as they can to make sure their real franchise C isn't going to want to bolt out the door one day soon. I don't think Vancouver wants an Eichel tier situation to occur with Elias. Drury & Allvin can dress up this type of trade however they want, Schneider, picks, prospects, etc. Kypreos said it best imo. It's a risk for both teams regardless but I think both NYR & VAN have found themselves in situations this year that calls for some risk taking.
 
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