Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'll walk back some of my criticism of Drury (even though I still think he's the worst GM in the NHL) if the main framework of the deal is Zibanejad for Miller. But let’s be real—that’s not happening. Instead, Drury will likely give up valuable assets—young players, prospects, or draft picks—to acquire a 31-year-old forward who hasn’t scored 5v5 in a while and is only willing to waive his NMC to come here. Meanwhile, we have one of the worst records in the NHL.

So now, we have Desperate Drury, who schemed his way into this job by throwing JD and Jeff Gorton under the bus and has been nothing but incompetent, trying to salvage a lost season. He’s scrambling to save a sinking season (and probably his job), even though JT Miller—or any player—won’t fix the core issue: this team’s toxic culture. Until that changes, adding Miller or anyone else is pointless. Honestly, I wouldn’t even trade a second-rounder for him at this point. This team is a dumpster fire with or without him.

Drury has never "won" a trade (IDK if you count the whole Trouba debacle a win. He f***ed it up to begin with) and probably never will. His negotiation skills are subpar and his track record is abysmal. Frankly, Chris Drury negotiating is like Nicolas Cage being offered movie roles.

I can 1000000% guarantee that if Miller is traded to the Rangers, Drury is going to get fleeced.

So based on that assumption, I wouldn't be surprised if it's for both Lafrenierre and Schneider.

The last person Drury was "hellbent" on getting was Will Borgen. That's not exactly working out so well. Meanwhile, Kakko has matched his point total.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I can 1000000% guarantee that if Miller is traded to the Rangers, Drury is going to get fleeced.

So based on that assumption, I wouldn't be surprised if it's for both Lafrenierre and Schneider.

My concern is with Lafreniere. If you take away the fact he was #1 overall, then were talking about a player that has played 335 NHL games with a career high of 57 points.

Hes on pace for 47 pts this season.

If he becomes a bust like Kakko then a trade involving him for Miller is a fleecing on the Canucks.

A 7mil winger in the 50 point range would be such a handcuff to any team trying to contend.

 

[Taluss]

I can 1000000% guarantee that if Miller is traded to the Rangers, Drury is going to get fleeced.

So based on that assumption, I wouldn't be surprised if it's for both Lafrenierre and Schneider.

Schneider I can definitely see being involved. Not Laf since he just signed the extension. Id imagine Rangers want to keep him.

But I do agree. If JT comes to NY Drury won't be winning the trade

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'll walk back some of my criticism of Drury (even though I still think he's the worst GM in the NHL) if the main framework of the deal is Zibanejad for Miller. But let’s be real—that’s not happening. Instead, Drury will likely give up valuable assets—young players, prospects, or draft picks—to acquire a 31-year-old forward who hasn’t scored 5v5 in a while and is only willing to waive his NMC to come here. Meanwhile, we have one of the worst records in the NHL.

So now, we have Desperate Drury, who schemed his way into this job by throwing JD and Jeff Gorton under the bus and has been nothing but incompetent, trying to salvage a lost season. He’s scrambling to save a sinking season (and probably his job), even though JT Miller—or any player—won’t fix the core issue: this team’s toxic culture. Until that changes, adding Miller or anyone else is pointless. Honestly, I wouldn’t even trade a second-rounder for him at this point. This team is a dumpster fire with or without him.

Drury has never "won" a trade (IDK if you count the whole Trouba debacle a win. He f***ed it up to begin with) and probably never will. His negotiation skills are subpar and his track record is abysmal. Frankly, Chris Drury negotiating is like Nicolas Cage being offered movie roles.



The last person Drury was "hellbent" on getting was Will Borgen. That's not exactly working out so well. Meanwhile, Kakko has matched his point total.

There’s no hockey GM that’s worth the time and negative energy to think the above let alone write it out no matter how true it may be. I wish upon you better things.

 

[Diablo2020]

I dont know if its been mentioned but Miller and Trocheck are really close and trained together this last offseason.

There's no trade swapping those two I believe NYR would like to combine them instead.

But also I know its been said, the Canucks cannot be taking Mika back either. Thats a NYR problem to figure out later.

A package involving Braden Schneider or no deal from this Nucks fan.

 

[Forsbergaura21]

I think if Vancouver does not want Zibanejad then Trocheck makes the most sense in a JT Miller deal. Trocheck would make for a very good #2 center in Vancouver and he is not the type to start any issues with Pettersson.

I wonder if something like this would work;
To Vancouver:
Trocheck($5.63), Schneider($2.2), R.Smith($3.75), pick
For
JT Miller($8), Hoglander($1.1), Desharnais($2)

Vancouver gets the top 4 young Defenseman they seek while still getting a solid #2 center. R.Smith is on a 1 year deal so if he does not pan out, he will free cap for Vancouver in summer.

Rangers can replace Schneider with Jones on defense.

 

[Connor McConnor]

My concern is with Lafreniere. If you take away the fact he was #1 overall, then were talking about a player that has played 335 NHL games with a career high of 57 points.

Hes on pace for 47 pts this season.

If he becomes a bust like Kakko then a trade involving him for Miller is a fleecing on the Canucks.

A 7mil winger in the 50 point range would be such a handcuff to any team trying to contend.

I see a player there. You are paying extra for his age. DeBrusk got 5.5 after a 40 point season. He's doing well in a change of scenery but he's also in his prime years of 28. There would need to be salary coming back and I don't see a fit with Zib.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Then make the Zib trade first then....

How? He has an NMC, a $8.5 cap hit, and is signed until 2030.

 

[McRanger92]

Understand the Nucks fans not wanting Zibanejad but thats really a prerequisite to bringing in JT. Mika would have to go elsewhere simultaneously even if he's not going to Vancouver in the package. Miller+Schenider and Lafreniere would all be on the table for me if EP is a possibility.

 

[Peter Griffin]

How? He has an NMC, a $8.5 cap hit, and is signed until 2030.

Good luck with that.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Understand the Nucks fans not wanting Zibanejad but thats really a prerequisite to bringing in JT. Mika would have to go elsewhere simultaneously even if he's not going to Vancouver in the package. Miller+Schenider and Lafreniere would all be on the table for me if EP is a possibility.

A third team would have to be in the mix then, perhaps a team like Chicago would be interested in Zib however I doubt he waives for them.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Zibanejad I get, but why do you Canucks fans hate the idea of K'Andre for Miller? I mean I know I don't like K'Andre, but the ability is there. He has all the tools to be a shut-down guy. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery.

kam is a perfectly good young player who is a bad fit team needs wise and cap wise for the canucks. recall we have hughes chewing up left side minutes and nearly all the team pp time and we don't want hughes to pk. so we have zero use for more than two respectable 2-way dmen behind him and we definitely do not need a guy with star aspirations and an expectation of over 21 minutes a game who doubtless thinks he should be on the pp so he can get points and get paid and is also not going to like being top minute guy on the pk. another carson soucy who is happy to make a first pass, hit, block and pk hard for 17-18 minutes a game would be fine and is really all we can afford until we power through the next two years of $5m oel buyout penalties. we also have three left side dmen prospects trending well so i think we are not going to commit significant cap longterm to the second slot on the left side while we have a shot at riding one or more elcs.

which brings us to the fact kam is an rfa with arbitration rights this summer with a $4m+ qo and the fact you guys play him over 21 minutes a game and have done for a while which means his hand in arbitration is scary. he will demand to be paid and given term or he will use arbitration to get paid anyway and walk to free agency. he might even try and force us to trade him to a better situation for him. no thanks.

otoh schneider's contract having another year makes him extremely attractive for cap reasons as well as filling a perpetual hole on the right side which is forcing us to overuse myers right now.

 

[McRanger92]

A third team would have to be in the mix then, perhaps a team like Chicago would be interested in Zib however I doubt he waives for them.

Could be Chicago they need talent. Kreider is also a very real possibility to move. If JT is coming in we need to move money the other way somehow.

 

[krutovsdonut]

My concern is with Lafreniere. If you take away the fact he was #1 overall, then were talking about a player that has played 335 NHL games with a career high of 57 points.

Hes on pace for 47 pts this season.

If he becomes a bust like Kakko then a trade involving him for Miller is a fleecing on the Canucks.

A 7mil winger in the 50 point range would be such a handcuff to any team trying to contend.

i rarely agree with you on anything but i do here. laf is in my trade math because i believe the persistent rumours the canucks want him and the castenguay connection somehow makes it inevitable he is in the deal. he's not a guy i would target at that cap.

 

[Diablo2020]

Understand the Nucks fans not wanting Zibanejad but thats really a prerequisite to bringing in JT. Mika would have to go elsewhere simultaneously even if he's not going to Vancouver in the package. Miller+Schenider and Lafreniere would all be on the table for me if EP is a possibility.

Theres zero way the Canucks come out even on a NYR trade if they have to eat Mika.

Thats a you problem. If it costs NYR a high pick to dump Mika elsewhere then factor that into your own asset management, ya'll arent gonna take it outta the Nucks coifers.

 

[HBK27]

Chicago may be desperate for talent, but taking on an already-declining player for the rest of the decade at an $8.5M cap hit seems very unwise for a rebuilding team.

Blackhawks won't want that even worse of an anchor contract anywhere near the team a few years from now when they're trying to be competitive. Better off overpaying for UFA's or acquiring vets with shorter term.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Yeah the hawks aren’t taking Mika if you aren’t taking Seth jones back

 

[Johnsie19]

If you retained a significant part mika contract, I would probably pull the trigger on this

I think part of it is you get to dump Hoglander's contract. And Mika's deal is a lot shorter than Millers. Also why the 1st is in there.

 

[Joe Rogan]

Allvin is one of the smartest GM's in the league. Drury traded Buchnevich for a flaming bag of dog crap and a pick, and needlessly torpedoed his team's season this year. If there is a trade to be had, I know who will come out ahead

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Canucks are in win now mode right now and I can't see them trading both Miller AND Pettersson in the same year.

 

[wetcoast]

I think part of it is you get to dump Hoglander's contract. And Mika's deal is a lot shorter than Millers. Also why the 1st is in there.

A first rounder goes with the Anchor that is Zibanejad at 8.5 X 3 years after this current one.

 

[krutovsdonut]

A first rounder goes with the Anchor that is Zibanejad at 8.5 X 3 years after this current one.

5 years

 

[wetcoast]

5 years

My bad and that's much worse....for the NYR.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Canucks are in win now mode right now and I can't see them trading both Miller AND Pettersson in the same year.

I could but not before the end of the year.

I could see one being traded now and one around the draft.

It's a tough one because you don't know who has what issue but both have been very distracted this year. When they focus they look amazing still, but they just aren't focused.

 

[Peen]

The thing is NYR would be batshit insane to do any trade for JTM without including Zib and VAN would be batshit insane to take him to move JTM.

I feel like the move for JTM would be a Horvat type deal and then you line up a deal to flip the assets for something.