Cool, except your numbers don't reflect Lafreniere's extension.
This all neglects the fact that the Rangers aren't trading their only 1st overall pick since 1965.
Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)
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Cool, except your numbers don't reflect Lafreniere's extension.
This all neglects the fact that the Rangers aren't trading their only 1st overall pick since 1965.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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I keep thinking this whenever I hear Miller going back to NYR
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Why would Laferniere's contract extension that starts next year need to be reflected for a trade that would happen now and today's cap?
Hoglander got extended too, fro 1.1 to 3mil starting next year.
How is that relevant for a trade today?
Dont think it matters that Laffy is a 1st overall pick. I bet NYR fans thought Kakko would be a lifer too when they drafted him.
All we can go by are the reports that Drury desperately wants Miller. Gonna cost alot to get one of the top Centres and Power Forward in the game.
The Rangers should have no interest in trading for JT Miller without Zibanejad going back the other way. The trade otherwise makes no sense whatsoever.
They had to hold on for dear life with otherworldly goaltending from Jonathan Quick to eek out a win last night against a mediocre Boston team without H. Lindholm in the lineup. The team is certified ass, and they're not making the playoffs this year. Even if they do by some miracle sneak into a WC spot, they're getting trounced in the first round. There is simply no reason to mortgage futures and young players for 32 year old JT Miller who by the middle of next season will regress as is the Ranger way.
If you're talking a change of scenery trade Zibanejad for Miller, I can see that working for both sides. Other than that, there's just no deal to be made here.
How would it not matter, is the better question?
You acquire players, you acquire their contract extensions. 32 GMs in the league have to factor that in to any potential trade.
Neither of these teams are realistically making any noise this year, so why would this year matter at all? This year is a wash for both clubs. Injuries and locker room bullshit causal for Vancouver, being a shit organization on many levels and entitled veterans that haven't won anything causal for the Rangers
It;s gonna be: Chytil , draft pick, plus either B Schneider or Lafereiere
Ranger fans, who would you rather keep between Schneider or Laferiere?
Ranger fans, who would you rather keep between Schneider or Laferiere?
Both will be off the table for JT Miller.
Petterson is a different story. Miller is bound to regress very soon and the Rangers have first hand experience with that fun little aspect of pro sports.
I think everyone needs to chill with the interpretation that Chris Drury is willing to give his left one for JT Miller. He's a great fit for the team right now; the problem is right now means nothing for the Rangers. I see this whole thing as Drury kicking tires because Miller is a locker room time bomb and can't play nice with their young star winger who is a euro softie.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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Its literally the reason for these rumors and the only way the Rangers should be interested.
The Canucks can easily fit Laferniere's 7mil contract next year.. thats not going to be an issue whatsoever especially since they would be moving Miller's 8mil.
All NYR and Van need to worry about is making the current contracts fit with this years cap and cap space.
Its a multiple player trade according to reports this morning.
Based on the pieces NYR wants to move that Vancouver doesn't, it sounds like a 3rd team needs to get involved. Or NYR/VAN just won't get a deal done around Miller.
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he’s 32 and maybe a top 20 center this season.
imagine thinking you’re gonna get chytil and laf for jt miller
delusional
I think the player that should be of more interest to NYR is EP. They will need a Panarin replacement as soon as next year.
Panarin comes off the books at the end of next season and he's already shown regression, most likely driven by the fact that no one else around him gives a shit, and he has noticeably taken his foot off the gas.
If you want to talk EP for Laf, I think that has some serious merit. But not for a 32 year old center on the back-9 of his career.
The real one though that I would do unspeakable things for, is Kaprizov. Obviously Minnesota will throw an 8 year blank check at him but if he wants to explore his options, NYR need to (and will be) all over that as Panarin's contract comes off the books.
DanielBrassard
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If the Rangers trade for Miller without Zibanejad being a part of the trade, Chris Drury should be fired on the spot. Not saying Vancouver should do it because they shouldn’t. I’d much rather pay up for Pettersson.
Its been reported that NYR has made offers on Miller over the least 2 deadlines. Way before anyone figure Miller needs a "change of scenery"
Its clear that NYR wants JT Miller badly.
I dont think they want Miller just to save this season either. They want him long term as they probably think they need a culture change in the dressing room and Miller would bring that Alpha role along with what he brings to the ice.
Will he have another 99 point season ? Likely not, so yes his points will regress... He wont fall off a cliff tho because his body isnt beat up. He was very much under-utilized in NYR and Tbay and didnt get serious minutes till the trade to Van, His body doesnt have too much mileage at all..
Likely at this point yes Laffy and Schneider are not being offered, hence why Miller isnt a Ranger yet. Lets see who blinks first though and see how badly Drury actually wants Miller because its almost guranteed that if Miller does become a Ranger, one of Laffy, Schneider will be a Canuck.
The only other offer the Rangers could make would be picks and prospects, and i dont think the Canucks are heading in that direction. just to humor it though...it would be:
1st,3rd, Chytil, Perrault and another contract to fit JTs 8mil in. (Lindgren?)
I'm all for moving this year's 1st for literally anything resembling a productive NHL player because I know we'll botch the living shit out of that pick anyway.
Chytil is untradeable because of his injury history. He's one collision with his own teammate away from never playing hockey again.
Perreault will never in any universe under the star we know as the Sun be traded for a 32 year old player not named McDavid or Draisaitl, please do not ever speak his name in the context of JT Miller
Friedman reported this morning that Van wants no part of Zibanejad being part of the trade.
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As usual, these offers are garbage for Miller.
Drury can f*** off and let the team burn if he isn’t willing to give up a package of significance.
Drury can f*** off and let the team burn if he isn’t willing to give up a package of significance.
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A 3rd line C with a very concerning injury history on pace for 40 points and a disappointing former first round pick on pace for 46 points? Mmmmkay.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Its all part of negotiating.
I do think there is a deal very very close to being done between NYR and Van tho. Im almost certain JT Miller will be a Ranger by TDL or the very latest, in the off-season.
As some has said, a 3rd team might have to get involved as NYR doesnt really have a Centre to trade Vancouver which is required for Van to move Miller.
Miller is not worth what you think he's worth.
Look at the decline of elite NHL players. 32-33 is the exact moment in time where every single one of them starts falling off a cliff. Today's NHL is a game predicated on foot speed and literally being faster than your opponents. That's all it is. And that's the first thing you lose as you get older and you have nearly 1,000 NHL games on your body.
Does that mean NYR wouldn't get 2 more solid years from him? No, they probably would. But if you're going to mortgage futures, you need more than that.
You value Miller, understandably, for what he was. The Rangers have to value him for what he will be in the next 3-5 years. And that is, another over the hill veteran to add to the NYR scrap heap that has a massive contract and winds up playing to 65% of it.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. It's not happening without Zibanejad going the other way, period dot.
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this thread needs a regular reality dose. miller to the nyr is not going to happen in the short term unless the rangers are willing to move younger pieces. people who think miller is going to get swapped in a deal that involves zib coming back as part of the value proposition are crazy. miller is a good enough player to fetch young assets and the canucks are going to want to align their core age. the only way an older ranger with a big contract comes back is if the young pieces the rangers throw in are enough to make the canucks accept an older contract. otherwise, the canucks are going to actually go to market with miller and find a deal that meets their goals.
second, if you assume the canucks want lafreniere and the rangers want to move once piece out of their core then i think this trade has to be bigger and likely involves brock boeser to make the cap work for the canucks not only for this year but next. the canucks have no cap space and no big cap dumps any more and can't take a kreider or a zib as well as laf even if they want to.
once you go down the laf road, now you have to pay for boeser.
so how about
miller-boeser-desharnais - suter
for
lafreniere - schneider - kreider -trochek
the cap works for the canucks this year and next. the position swaps work. and if the swap doesn't fix the rangers that gives them significant tdl trade pieces. if you delete suter and trochek the rangers have to add a pretty good piece.
having gamed it out i am not sure i'd do this as a canuck fan. neither lafreniere nor schneider is a huge prize to me. even if i knew suter and boeser would not re-sign, this seems like it waters down their value compared to moving them individually at the tdl. i can understand how rangers fans may choke on it too, but try adding up the market value of jt miller and two expiring ufa frontline players and dumping your washed core player contract before you instinctively shake your head.
and it's not the fans making the decision. the real issue is what would it take to get such a trade done that met both teams needs. for all the ranger fans that are charging to their keyboards to declare it's a non-starter, keep in mind your team is the one reported to want to shake up your core and acquire jt miller, and this is my response and assessment of what it might take to persuade the canucks to move him now without going to market on an extended time frame to find a deal that fits their strategic plans by getting them younger. i think you're not going to get him without giving up solid younger assets and you're not going to dump one of your aging underperforming core pieces without addressing the cap implications of that and paying for the privilege one way or another.
second, if you assume the canucks want lafreniere and the rangers want to move once piece out of their core then i think this trade has to be bigger and likely involves brock boeser to make the cap work for the canucks not only for this year but next. the canucks have no cap space and no big cap dumps any more and can't take a kreider or a zib as well as laf even if they want to.
once you go down the laf road, now you have to pay for boeser.
so how about
miller-boeser-desharnais - suter
for
lafreniere - schneider - kreider -trochek
the cap works for the canucks this year and next. the position swaps work. and if the swap doesn't fix the rangers that gives them significant tdl trade pieces. if you delete suter and trochek the rangers have to add a pretty good piece.
having gamed it out i am not sure i'd do this as a canuck fan. neither lafreniere nor schneider is a huge prize to me. even if i knew suter and boeser would not re-sign, this seems like it waters down their value compared to moving them individually at the tdl. i can understand how rangers fans may choke on it too, but try adding up the market value of jt miller and two expiring ufa frontline players and dumping your washed core player contract before you instinctively shake your head.
and it's not the fans making the decision. the real issue is what would it take to get such a trade done that met both teams needs. for all the ranger fans that are charging to their keyboards to declare it's a non-starter, keep in mind your team is the one reported to want to shake up your core and acquire jt miller, and this is my response and assessment of what it might take to persuade the canucks to move him now without going to market on an extended time frame to find a deal that fits their strategic plans by getting them younger. i think you're not going to get him without giving up solid younger assets and you're not going to dump one of your aging underperforming core pieces without addressing the cap implications of that and paying for the privilege one way or another.
As has been stated many times in this thread, they are not willing to move younger pieces or the trade would've happened already.
The rumblings we're hearing about this are simply intensified because it's a Canadian market and JT Miller can't get along with Petterson. So Drury is doing his due-diligence to see how badly Vancouver wants to get rid of JT Miller.
If you want to take him to market, by all means get a couple picks and prospects for him. That doesn't help the Canucks in the near term. Zibanejad could very much help them in the near term if the feeling is that he needs a change of scenery and maybe some linemates that aren't completely cooked. He's playing with the corpses of Chris Kreider and Reilly Smith every night; put him with Petey and Boeser and I think the results would be astronomically different.
This isn't to say he hasn't been ass, he has been. He still would not be out of place playing big minutes with elite wingers.
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