Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)

[ryan callahan]

Thats why Mika has got to go the other way.

Knowing the rangers they will trade Cuylle, Schneider and a 1st for J.T. Miller though

Schneider probably has to go the other way at the very least but these 3 young valuable pieces would be a mistake. A combo of two of them (or maybe replace Schneider with KAndre depending who you deem to be more valuable) while adding a slightly retained Zibanejad would seem fair.

 

[TGWL]

let's go big or go home.

jt miller
boeser
desharnais
hoglander

for

kreider
lafreniere
schneider
cuylle

Go home.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Zibanejad looks checked out.

Buyer beware

 

[ryan callahan]

Zibanejad looks checked out.

Buyer beware

Sandbagging because Lafrenière stole his spot to get carried by Panarin. To boot, Panarin can't carry as well as he used to. His skating and dynamism have clearly taken a step back.

 

[SEALBound]

I don't see how trading Miller gets Vancouver to where they want to go?

Unless - Miller for Panarin?

 

[TGWL]

Sandbagging because Lafrenière stole his spot to get carried by Panarin. To boot, Panarin can't carry as well as he used to. His skating and dynamism have clearly taken a step back.

They didn't play together last year. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. They only play together on the powerplay, or when shit is going back and they try to change something/need a goal late in the game.

 

[McJedi]

JT Miller for Kreider + Schneider feels like a good deal to me.

Vancouver offloads a contract that won't age well with 5 years to go after this one. And they get a big RHD to pair with Quinn Hughes long term. Lets Hronek anchor the 2nd pair.

Rangers get the guy they want and dump the last 2.5 years of Kreider's $6.5MM contract.

Rangers probably need to add something to this... I'm just not sure what. Brennan Othmann seems too much...

 

[Three On Zero]

I don't see how trading Miller gets Vancouver to where they want to go?

Unless - Miller for Panarin?

It doesn’t. But this is about Drury WANTING Miller and not Allvin shopping Miller. Drury May do something dumb and overpay.

 

[BHD]

What is Schneider's value? He's the only RHD (after Fox) worth considering for Vancouver.

 

[canadianmagpie]

I'd do Zibanejed (retained to $6.5 million), Schneider and NYR 1st (protected) for Miller. I don't see any trade involving Pettersson being a long-term win for the Canucks. Would rather sacrifice the 31 year old for another 31 year old.

 

[Mikachu93]

I'd do Zibanejed (retained to $6.5 million), Schneider and NYR 1st (protected) for Miller. I don't see any trade involving Pettersson being a long-term win for the Canucks. Would rather sacrifice the 31 year old for another 31 year old.

I'm sure you would.

 

[canadianmagpie]

I'm sure you would.

Zibanejad has struggled a lot this year, he doesn't bring much value at all.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

who cares about intensity, other players that cant score 100 pts can bring the intensity. Not everyone needs to be Jarome Iginla/JT Miller type to be succesfull. A team is made up of all sorts of dynamics.

Easier to find a player that brings intensity than it is to find a 100+ point 2way Centre thats 26 yrs old.

Sure matters in the playoffs or did you forget your fans had to literally make a slogan to try and wake him from unconsciousneas?

 

[Mikachu93]

Zibanejad has struggled a lot this year, he doesn't bring much value at all.

I understand that believe me.

But $2m retention for the next 5 seasons and trading a 23 year old 2nd pair RHD for a 32 year old center is bad business for a team that needs more young talent and is 7 points out of a playoff spot.

 

[Djp]

That’s not the way this works bud

He may do so
But he hasn’t yet

He will do it, just a matter of when

 

[Three On Zero]

He will fo it, just a matter of when

Concern with Miller is he plays the type of game where his decline is going to be fast and steep. He won’t age gracefully.

 

[Bankerguy]

Who's put up more points than Jt. Miller over the last 5 years? i dont think the list is very long... he's also signed well below his on ice value... Van should be requesting a decent package if he is indeed to be traded.

Panarin and Jt. Miller would dominate on ice, 100 pts per season each.

Schneider, Trocheck, Cuylle, nothing less

 

[toolshed]

Best case van gets mika, miller and a pick. And that's to much

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I understand that believe me.

But $2m retention for the next 5 seasons and trading a 23 year old 2nd pair RHD for a 32 year old center is bad business for a team that needs more young talent and is 7 points out of a playoff spot.

On pace for 48 points, has 5 more seasons after this season, has a NMC, and turns 32 in 3 months. Big yikes. Salary would have to work in a Miller trade, but I wouldn't touch that contract with a 10 foot pole. Any other salary that could make this deal work is what I'd be interested in.

 

[Mikachu93]

On pace for 48 points, has 5 more seasons after this season, has a NMC, and turns 32 in 3 months. Big yikes. Salary would have to work in a Miller trade, but I wouldn't touch that contract with a 10 foot pole. Any other salary that could make this deal work is what I'd be interested in.

That's totally fair.

Again, I'm not against the inclusion of Zibanejad in a Miller deal lol, I was pointing to the inclusion of Schneider being a no-go.

I, and many other Rangers fans for that matter, aren't interested in acquiring JT Miller anyway

 

[krutovsdonut]

i think we need to go back to basics here. the discussion has got some really off values.

first off, what is the value of a jt miller "simpliciter"? forget the circumstances of the canucks and rangers.

he is 31. he has consistently paced over a ppg for years and is coming off a 100 point season. he plays a dominant physical style like a power winger, is a playmaker, especially on the poweplay, has a hard accurate shot, plays centre well, is dominant on faceoffs, fights and serves as an emotional driver for the team.

that is pretty good. there are very few forwards in the nhl with a better resume than that.

he's also under contract for $8m for five years, taking him to 36. right now that is obviously
a bargain. if the rangers get him, he'll be their fifth highest paid player starting next year. he hasn't been blowing the doors off this season but he's been decent and is only sucked into trade rumours because of a feud with another star. that feud does not hurt his value imo. it is not setting off locker room cancer vibes. the reports are he is beloved but has been too hard on pettersson and that includes the recent comments of brad richardson.

to me the market value of a player of this caliber is very well established: it is three of the following: a high draft pick, a young roster player and a good prospect. one of those assets would conventionally be the big prize.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Can’t see a return from NY that makes sense unless it includes unprotected 2025 1st, and at their current trajectory NY would be foolish to consider moving that pick.

 

[krutovsdonut]

now what is the value of chris kreider?

he's a sniper and power winger with a reputation for clutch scoring. he's a big body. he can fight. he is not a centre, does not take faceoffs, can pk but generally does not and is not a playmaker to a fault having 12 goals and 1 assist this year, and twice as many goals as assists in two of the last three years.

he's 33 (two full years older than miller). he's under contract for two more years after this at $6.5m

he's deep in the doghouse right now for poor play. there are certainlty concerns age may be catching up with him.

rangers have reportedly shopped him with no takers. he has little or no tdl value due to his contract situation, which is not currently a bargain and is not attractive even to contenders who want some cap space over the summer.

my assessment is he has limited value to anyone but a desperate win now club in need of scoring. it also has to be a team willing to gamble on his strengths holding out. most likely a contender playoff team that has lost a key offensive player and wants to save the season.

i think from all that you wind up with a guy whose peak current value is a 2nd or a b-prospect, but is likely to go for less.

 

[Fatass]

JTM to Rangers for:
Zib + k’Andre

Seems a trade both fan bases would detest. So must be fair?

 

[krutovsdonut]

next, what is the bargaining position of the rangers?

so far as we can tell, it is really bad. team is deep into a losing streak. drury is on the hot seat and is unlikely to survive the summer. they are in win now mode with key stars showing signs of age. drury has openly taken shots at his core. they traded their captain for next to nothing just to make cap room for their goalie.

the rumours are they want to make a hockey trade and shake up their core. the rumour also is they want miller.

from all this, their bargaining position is really bad. gm on hot seat. core pieces that are not performing well are old and very hard to move. lacking in prospects so forced to trade off their roster.

i don't see how this barganing position gives them any leverage whatever against the canucks in a miller trade. it seems likely to force them to make a worse deal than they would want to try and save the season and drury's job.