Dipsy Doodle
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Proposal: JT Miller to Pittsburgh
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TryamkinPleaseReturn
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I'm so thoroughly confused
But it seems amazing for Chicago, and really good for Vancouver, assuming those aren't Vancouver's 1sts
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Seems like an absolute steal for Vancouver given Miller's contract status and Chicago is doing really well getting JT Miller for Pittsburgh's assets.
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It's especially good for Vancouver, getting JT Miller for half of what he's making, and giving up no assets (I assume?), And Chicago is doing even better getting a bunch of assets (I'm not sure whose) for apparently nothing
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Blackhawks win this one easily.
It's like Pittsburgh gets nothing at all.
It's like Pittsburgh gets nothing at all.
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What about his contract status? That it's an incredible bargain?
I assume you expect longer team control if we're paying that price, but you simply aren't getting a player as good as Miller on that steal of a contract for multiple years.
Only spending 2.6 mil on a great top 6 guy (even for one year) gives the team a lot of latitude in how it fleshes out the roster.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see San Jose deal us Meier with that type of return.
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Dipsy Doodle
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Nope just high and careless
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Well, let's entertain that idea even if I think Miller's the better player and his talent would win out...
I'd love to have Meier on the Pens. If the Sharks would take that deal, works for me.
I haven't heard anything about the Sharks wanting to move Meier though. Miller seems a much more logical candidate to move.
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Miller would be a good go-for-it option for Pittsburgh, but a lot would depend on what Malkin's doing. Malkin retiring opens up cap space to pick up some depth. Malkin staying makes a guy like Miller a more attractive option at 50%.
If I'm Vancvouer, I'd rather have prospects that are ready to step in to support the contracts already on the books, depending upon what you're doing with Boeser.
If I'm Vancvouer, I'd rather have prospects that are ready to step in to support the contracts already on the books, depending upon what you're doing with Boeser.
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If that's the case, I'd be more than fine with getting Meier for that price instead.
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I think he'd only retire if the Pens weren't going to bring him back.
But I imagine something gets done. He wants to be here.
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Not a bad trade proposal.
My opinion is extremely unpopular, especially on this site. But my opinion is that young prospects - even recently drafted first round picks - are not very valuable. My other opinion is that draft picks - even first round draft picks - are not very valuable. The two exceptions are: prospects who have done incredible things in their respective leagues; and first round draft picks inside the top 5 (maybe top 10) range. Those two things are extremely valuable, because they have a really good chance of, one day, becoming an impact player, possibly close to what a JT Miller or Timo Mier can do for example.
From Vancouver's perspective though, they are not good enough to even make the playoffs, never mind compete for the cup. Which means they don't really have use for a 100 point, all-situation 2-way centre like Miller. So that means they might have to trade him, no matter what return they can get. If that return is three lottery tickets, with 1/300 chance of winning, then it might be what they have to take. But it also means, they should probably trade every single player on their team, and start anew. Not a good situation.
I think for Pittsburgh that's a move that could put them in a really good position to win, and in my view, they are extremely unlikely to lose an impact player, and they are getting an immediate, guaranteed star, in either Meier or Miller. Also, Pittsburgh's 1sts will be late no matter what, but you add a superstar, and the 1sts are probably around 30th, instead of 20-30, which makes it even less of a loss for them. But again, I know on this site that prospects are infinitely more valuable than established superstars, and 1st round picks are even more valuable than prospects. So carry on.
My opinion is extremely unpopular, especially on this site. But my opinion is that young prospects - even recently drafted first round picks - are not very valuable. My other opinion is that draft picks - even first round draft picks - are not very valuable. The two exceptions are: prospects who have done incredible things in their respective leagues; and first round draft picks inside the top 5 (maybe top 10) range. Those two things are extremely valuable, because they have a really good chance of, one day, becoming an impact player, possibly close to what a JT Miller or Timo Mier can do for example.
From Vancouver's perspective though, they are not good enough to even make the playoffs, never mind compete for the cup. Which means they don't really have use for a 100 point, all-situation 2-way centre like Miller. So that means they might have to trade him, no matter what return they can get. If that return is three lottery tickets, with 1/300 chance of winning, then it might be what they have to take. But it also means, they should probably trade every single player on their team, and start anew. Not a good situation.
I think for Pittsburgh that's a move that could put them in a really good position to win, and in my view, they are extremely unlikely to lose an impact player, and they are getting an immediate, guaranteed star, in either Meier or Miller. Also, Pittsburgh's 1sts will be late no matter what, but you add a superstar, and the 1sts are probably around 30th, instead of 20-30, which makes it even less of a loss for them. But again, I know on this site that prospects are infinitely more valuable than established superstars, and 1st round picks are even more valuable than prospects. So carry on.
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The Penguins give up basically their entire futures pool so they can lose in 6 games in round 1 instead of 5 games 
This team is better off nuking itself and going into a full rebuild than trying a Jim Rutherford type of win-now move. Their window is shut.
This team is better off nuking itself and going into a full rebuild than trying a Jim Rutherford type of win-now move. Their window is shut.
Value seems good for Vancouver. Two firsts and a B level prospect. They should consider this for a rental player like JT Miller.
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No thanks. Doesn't matter what player we get, this team is pretty much done at this point. Pens are going to be swept by either Florida or by the Rangers. Next playoffs Pens will be out yet again in the 1st round, same with Crosbys final season.
