Player Discussion JT Miller Thread - Family Man
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Peter Griffin
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You couldn’t even wait for like one other post?!?
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Both things can be true.
He spent a lot of his time here pre-Tocchet being a bozo. It's clear that previous management created a shit hole environment which didn't mix well with JT's immaturity. McCann is another example of a player that could have thrived here eventually had functioning adults been in charge instead.
But since Tocchet he's mostly taken the bad out of his game and has been a beast for us consistently, a driving force. Yeah he makes some dumb passes sometimes but look around the league, all top players that are counted on to have the puck often and make big plays do dumb stuff once in a while.
I'm more concerned about what he's doing right now, which is playing like a legit 1C on a good team for a modest cap hit relative to his production. That's why he's gone from bozo to fan favorite.
He spent a lot of his time here pre-Tocchet being a bozo. It's clear that previous management created a shit hole environment which didn't mix well with JT's immaturity. McCann is another example of a player that could have thrived here eventually had functioning adults been in charge instead.
But since Tocchet he's mostly taken the bad out of his game and has been a beast for us consistently, a driving force. Yeah he makes some dumb passes sometimes but look around the league, all top players that are counted on to have the puck often and make big plays do dumb stuff once in a while.
I'm more concerned about what he's doing right now, which is playing like a legit 1C on a good team for a modest cap hit relative to his production. That's why he's gone from bozo to fan favorite.
The 'since Tocchet' talk really underrates how good JT was under both Green and Bruce. JT's 1st season here saw him lead the team in scoring, both season and playoffs. He drove the lotto line, and completely changed the way the team could play.
His 3rd season here was as much of a 1 man show as I've seen. Completely lapped his teammates. If that team makes the playoffs, he gets outside hart votes. That was a bottom 10 team in the league for both goals for, and against. It wasn't some pond hockey like people like to pretend.
JT and Hughes have been consistently high end from the start, so long as they're here, we have a chance.
His 3rd season here was as much of a 1 man show as I've seen. Completely lapped his teammates. If that team makes the playoffs, he gets outside hart votes. That was a bottom 10 team in the league for both goals for, and against. It wasn't some pond hockey like people like to pretend.
JT and Hughes have been consistently high end from the start, so long as they're here, we have a chance.
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When the trade was first made I was totally against it.
But as he played I stated many time he was an ideal playoff player.
His "ego" moodiness was so overwhelming I thought it was causing division in the room.
But he played like a "driven player" I do think a lot like Messier in the room.
I advocated for trading him because I was thinking of the future of the team, with so few draft picks and being capped out I had the belief that the new management could shorten a retooling so there would be another decade of not hoping to make the playoffs but how deep they would/could go.
When Tocchet was hired I wasn't sure they would get along as two real Alpha guys, but apparently Tocchet backed him and the attitude. I was impressed that Miller became such a defensive center.
I am still concerned about the term of the contract as so much pressure is on his performance and with that attitude he could lose the room or cause issues as his skills diminish with age.
Right now Vancouver has seen his best games and he is right now the backbone of the team.
Tocchet is certainly backing him to the hilt on and off the ice.
One other thing the team and fans didn't need to wait years to see what they had. Trot's even said he always knew he had it in him but he was a bit of a loose cannon with Trots in NY hence that trade.
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Don't get me wrong, he's been great for pretty much his entire time in Vancouver. Big-time offensive catalyst which is proven by his PPG+ numbers.
But you could not convince me that the overall player he was prior the last season was somebody you can look at and be like "yeah, he could be the best player on Stanley Cup winner".
The Miller we saw last year? He was definitely that type of player.
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I would love to see what Miller would look like with half a season of having two 4th line wingers stapled to him, no longer getting the majority of the Hughes shifts and playing with an injury that effects his skating. I can only imagine the body language.
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Ugh this JT Miller vs Pettersson thing is getting old.
I heard JT puts the milk in first when he has cereal
Attach whatever picks and prospects you have to to get rid of this f***ing nutcase immediately.
Ernie
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He may be a nutcase but he's OUR nutcase
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Pre-Tocchet,..Its hard to disagree that JTM had episodes on the ice that frustrated fans (mostly, banging his stick, swearing etc).
My recollection of him (especially under Boudreau) was that he was the only top 6 forward we had, that actually had a pulse, and an insatiable desire to win....He was literally carrying the team on his back... Pre Tocchet...EP was sleepwalking, with zero confidence, and Boeser was halfway out of the door.
You tellin' me you don't want this dis guy on your team???
What a player.
What a player.
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remember when buffalo got rid of that bozo ryan o'reilly?
that was almost us.
that was almost us.
Yeah, it's a bit weird.
There have been two bad stretches of play from Miller in 5 years - the first 20 games of the 20-21 season after the 'shocking retool' and the first 20ish games of 22-23 when the team was cratering with Boudreau as a lame-duck head coach.
In 20-21 basically the entire team went through the same thing and every veteran stunk, so nothing about it was Miller-specific.
Basically when things are going really poorly and the team is being managed/coached poorly Miller doesn't seem to handle it well and goes into spaz mode. But in terms of the overall time he's spent here, it's been a very small percentage of the time. And yet people act like he was just this total mess for 3 years before Tocchet showed up.
Miller was our best non-goalie in 2 of his first 3 seasons here, pre-Tocchet. Played pretty much exactly how he is now.
PuckMunchkin
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Word on the street is, these were taken on Epsteins island!
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With Pettersson MIA, they can't afford a drop off from Miller at the same time.
Suddenly, this team looks a lot less formidable up front than we've seen in years passed, and the backend looks like shit.
Suddenly, this team looks a lot less formidable up front than we've seen in years passed, and the backend looks like shit.
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An injury?
Age?
The backend Allvin built?
What could have been;
Hughes, Hronek, Myers, Soucy, Zadorov, Juulsen, Brannstrom
Present defence cap hit - 26.525
Above - 27.75
And use Poolman's LTIR cap hit
They say they moved Poolman so they had more cap space to sign a player at the TDL, but if they are not in the show that cap space is now useless.
With the amount of degrading to the defence that will happen. It puts more pressure on all the forwards to play defence more than be offensive threats, the forwards start off so deep the opposition defence has time to pinch or back off and get into position.
The season rides on the special teams effectiveness.
Right now the have a pretty pedestrian point total, I know lots of fans see the points, I see the wins and losses and right now that is .500 with an extremely easy schedule.
This year so far, 19th in goals for, 19th in goals against, 14th in points, tied with many teams but they have the 8th best point percentage with the gimmick loser counted. How many loser points did they get in the real season?
This week they have less than 200 miles to travel and 3 games spread out over 7 days.
Ya, they can't have either Miller or Hughes have bad games
