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Roy is a D+4, and he's getting a real chance now due to the Dach injury and Beck not being ready. He needs to keep earning it.
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Roy is a D+4, and he's getting a real chance now due to the Dach injury and Beck not being ready. He needs to keep earning it.
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This kind of player doesn't match the "what should be the perfect player" model. Doesn't skate enough, doesn't hit enough, doesn't seem enough implicated, doesn't play hard enough, doesn't win enough corner battles...
That's the kind of things many fans were saying about Pierre Turgeon, not tough enough, not physical enough, etc... Several of them were happy when he was traded for Shayne Corson .
Wait ! i don't say here that Roy will be as good as Turgeon. What i say is that many fans simply don't understand the marginal and more cerebral players. It isn't an insult, it's a.. an ... ok it's an insult
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I can recall some examples...
I do think that every coach will inevitably irritate fans with their player selections , here I've seen it with Carbonneau, Martin, Cunneyworth, Therrien, Julien, Ducharme, and MSL.
But MSL seems less bad. The most frequent complaint is that he overplays Matheson. That does seem concerning but relative to what we've seen in the past twenty years, it's minor. Ducharme for example would sit Kotkaniemi for Thompson and play Caulfield on the 4th line.
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Well, Beck deserves it, pretty sure he'll be a fixture in the NHL next year at the very least, still wonder why they sent him down. And yeah, for now, it just isn't working, kid is smart and sees everything on the ice, now if he could skate instead of floating, that would be great, we already have Laine doing that.
I know I'd prefer Beck to Roy if it comes to that, at least he plays hard.
Davidson could be deserving too, same with Farrell (good thing he woke up at some point), but those would be 'experiments', something we can't do right now, fighting for a playoffs spot and all.
Otherwise, maybe Condotta, but more like a 13-14th forward.
We have a wealth of dmen, but our F depth ain't great right now.
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Beck didn't look NHL-ready during his time with the Habs, and I feel that while he needs more games at the NHL level, now isn't the time to get those. The start of the 25-26 season would be a better time to allow him to get acclimated to the NHL game and probably centering the 4th line.
Hughes didn't get any help at the deadline and went with a sink-or-swim approach at the request of our captain. Right now, the team looks listless and could use a good veteran presence, especially on the Newhook/Laine line.
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Whoops, I think I posted this after Caufield’s goal last night… wrong thread.
Yeah you may be right. And yeah, a change is needed on that 'duo' (if it remains like this), either a possession guy like Armia, either a more 'grinder' type like Heineman I'd say, that '4th' line as whole anyway hasn't done much production-wise for a while, Evans chips points here and there, Armia is in the cold part of his hot/cold self, and Heineman just doesn't seem to know how to regain the touch he had before he got injured, intermingling our 2nd and 4th line elements may help. We pretty much have nothing else anyway, and Roy doesn't fit on that particular line, being with a guy like Evans may actually help him finding the basics of his game.
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As the games get harder and more important, it’s not the time to have a young player who doesn’t forecheck in your Top 6.
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I thought he looked brutal yesterday. Terrible as the first man back, can't defend unless he's positioned on the wing, but also loses board battles. Skating technique is not NHL level. He's supposed to be an offensive player but can't do cutbacks at the NHL level. That line was getting caved hard and the reasons were Laine and Roy. Newhook isn't perfect either, but he at least plays with pace and battles for the puck. They put him with Anderson and Gallagher for one shift after Dvorak was on the PK and for the few seconds he was there he looked like he could distribute well enough.
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He’s just Charles Hudon 2.0. Very good AHLer but doesn’t have the physical traits for the NHL.
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It's Roy's D+4, it's amazing that by now he hasn't put in the effort to improve his strength and skating speed.
Hudon is different. He was a shorter guy on a smaller frame. He didn't have as much potential to improve.
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He might need a change of scenery much like the trade in the Q that got him to finally live up to his potential as a former 1st overall pick. He looks too comfortable for a guy that needs to fight with several players for a spot on a young team.
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Perhaps. I don't expect much trade value for Roy. I think his trade value peaked after he graduated from the CHL. Right now Roy is a forward winger prospect that didn't improve between D+3 and D+4.
Realistically I doubt other teams are interested. If he can't crack the Habs' roster ...
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I think he has put in a lot of work but unfortunately, and it happens more times than not, sometimes the player just isn't good enough to an everyday NHL'er. It's the reality of sports.
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I don’t think he has much value either. But he’s not going to want to just be stuck in Laval. Seems like a throw-in for a bigger trade when a team adds a B prospect to get it over the line.
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It's also time to sit injured Armia. We're short right now. Next year we'll have more depth.
Idk I'm honestly just not really worried about him at all. He's still just 21, why are we acting like he's at the end of the road here? He's just too skilled and smart not to become at least a useful middle six type IMO.
It only feels like he's "stagnating" because he's been getting NHL chances earlier than other young players who weren't super high end prospects. Roy is a D+4, at the same age Armia had just 1 NHL game and had 10 points in 43 games in his D+5. He's two years younger than Heineman as well. It's easy to forget now but people were writing him off a year or two ago as well.
It only feels like he's "stagnating" because he's been getting NHL chances earlier than other young players who weren't super high end prospects. Roy is a D+4, at the same age Armia had just 1 NHL game and had 10 points in 43 games in his D+5. He's two years younger than Heineman as well. It's easy to forget now but people were writing him off a year or two ago as well.
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Do you find that he's that skilled ? A lot more talented players have failed. The issue I find with comparisons like Armia and Heineman is that they don't apply. Players like them have characteristics they can fall to if production isn't there. NHL teams will always be interested in a 6'2"+ player strong as an ox who can win battles along the boards and play responsibly. They'll find a role. They're more of a comparable for players like Thorpe, Tuch or Xhekaj. The issue is what's Roy's role ? He's soft, skates slow, isn't that skilled for a top 6 player and frankly has deficiencies in his skating that you wouldn't expect from someone with that role (not talking about being slow, more so certain skating skills that you need to create space) and his defensive game isn't strong enough (weak when he has to battle physically, careless as the first man back). I'm hoping you're right, but I was hoping for more at this point. Not in terms of production, but in terms of translatable skills.
