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Trying to build a winning team is worth more than sitting on hands, hoping for magic beans to sprout, and being constantly afraid of failure. I thought you'd know that after 10 years of Bergevin.
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Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
It'd be at a pretty low cap hit and before he gets locked into an NMC for 1/3 instead of 2/3. LA would be crazy not to consider it at this point because no one will take him off their hands. It's a super interesting problem for them.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
If there's any lesson to take from Ottawa and Detroit is that scorched earth rebuilds like we used to see are a bad idea based on lower current lottery odds. They become extremely hard to get out of.
salbutera
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None of them were career PPG players which was the initial comment - Tavares has been the only UFA whose been close to career PPG player to have ever signed w a Cdn market (it’s understood very few of those types ever hit open market)
Also only two teams were willing to offer Radulov a contract Habs & Wings - Det offer was also not guaranteed albeit for 2-year term, they wanted a stipulation to finalize deal only after seeing him at training camp
It kind of does. What are we talking here? 50?60 points? Are those good first line numbers? They maybe played first line on crappy Habs teams. So did Desharnais. I’m speaking more to the level of Stamkos that people seem to think they have a shot at. When was the last ppg free agent they signed?
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Cammalleri but it doesn't matter, Stamkos level guys rarely hit FA.
I think Toff is asking $6m plus and the reason Calgary and jersey passed. No link to support but recall a comment on a telecast he is seeking top dollar and 4 plus years
BergevinBurner
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If Hughes is able to trade away Anderson this summer then do you think he'd have any interest in Mantha if he's willing to take a "home town discount"?
If he'd be willing to sign in the ballpark of 3 million then I'd be interested. I could see him as a solid middle 6 option while he's healthy.
If he'd be willing to sign in the ballpark of 3 million then I'd be interested. I could see him as a solid middle 6 option while he's healthy.
Quatre Vingt Treize
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Have a good draft. Acquire a top 6 goal scorer. Either thru trade or UFA. Plan to sign a top line player in 2025.
How I look at things.
How I look at things.
Add in our draft capital for the next three years, and I think we have enough assets to land that coveted 2C we so desperately need.
These are my targets for 2C (real possibility or not). I want a stop gap first and foremost.
1- Crosby (1 year) via trade
4- Toews (4 years) x 3m
5- Taveres (3 years) x 5m
12- Stamkos
2- Bennett: $7m x 7
3- EP via trade
9- Horvat
If possible, id overpay for:
6- Larkin (gladly) <---- would be amazing
10- Lindell
Otherwise we gotta take a chance on an up and comer:
7- McTavish
8- Wright
11- Tuch
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Goldthorpe
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If on the market, I think Florian would generate a lot of interest. Maybe more than any other of these guys.
And for a reliable 2nd line center in a package, I would do it, even if I'm biting my lips.
"Okay but not great"?
What teams have better options once you remove their 6 best young assets? (not sure any team has a better top 6 than Hutson, Slaf, Demidov, RB, Hage & Fowler... & If they are off the table, then that's presumably because they are part of the solution).
The prospects you listed, plus our draft capital, gives us a pretty great collection of trade assets imo.
The quality & depth of young talent HuGo have assembled gives us the benefit of patience and opportunism... I suspect they will make full use of the leverage they've created
Estimated_Prophet
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Zero chance we get Tavares for 3 years at 5m as he will easily get more alot more money than that if he leaves Toronto and there is absolutely no way that we are winning a bidding war for Bennett with a 7 x 7 deal.
I think both Duchene and Granlund offer short term solutions if they are willing to sign here on shorter term deals at a reasonable cost although neither is perfect.Both are high IQ players who would be great fits for Demidov and both play a responsible 200 ft game and are great in the faceoff dot. Granlund is undersized but he goes to the dirty areas and Duchene's age is concerning but he was extremely productive in the regular season. I do really like the idea of Tavares as well but he will not be cheap however the term might be digestible.
If we are talking about trading for a younger center people keep mentioning Lundell and Mactavish who are obviously great young centers. There isn't a chance in hell that Florida trades Lundell as he is wrapped up long term on a great contract which will be an absolute steal as the cap continues to balloon. Mactavish is a RFA and I can't fathom why Anaheim would want to move him nor can I even begin to understand what we would have that we are willing to move that would make Anaheim even consider trading him to us.Unless HuGo are willing to entertain moving Caufield which is something I would like to avoid I don't see this happening.We definitely need to get bigger in our top six but I think Cole is special and he will be a dangerous player in the biggest games.
I am really curious to see how HuGo navigate the draft, trades and free agency this summer as this is a very complex puzzle with many layers. Fortunately I really do believe that they are brilliant hockey people who understand the game and team building on an elite level so I will absolutely defer to them and likely trust their decisions even if I am initially skeptical or do not fully grasp the entire scope of their strategy.
DAChampion
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You've painted a challenging situation for the Habs. If I read your words correctly, the Habs' best bet are on UFA.
That may be. I think I agree actually. The challenge is, the Habs' best trade assets are the two 1sts, but those lost their value the day after the draft which is before UFA day, and thus trading won't be an effective backup.
Estimated_Prophet
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I haven't looked hard enough at trade possibilities as it is impossible to know exactly who is even available so that topic gets a little too silly for me most of the time.
Tavares on a 3 year deal makes the most sense to me if we go the UFA route but I think he wants to stay in Toronto and if not he will want to get paid with as much term as he can get on a contending team.
If we can get Granlund or Duchene on two year deals that also would potentially work.
My criteria for a 2C is based on centering Demidov so I want a center who has a high IQ, plays a 200 foot game, is strong on faceoffs, is left handed and can play in the middle of the ice and potentially be signed to a shorter term deal.
Tavares, Granlund and Duchene are the only one's who literally jumped off of the sheet when I initially looked at UFA centers as players that met all of my criteria. They all have warts but I think they would all be outstanding fits to play with Demidov over the next two seasons at least. They are all older players and may want to play for contenders but Montreal is a great place to play right now and a legitimate 2C will go a long way to seeing this group make a significant jump.
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With all due respect,
1) Crosby: ain't happening as he ends his career in Pittsburgh or gets dealt to a contender for another Cup or two.
2) Bennett is not signing for only 7M!
3) Stay away from EP's crippling contract and the risk that he won't live up to it.
4)Toews for 4 years!? ARE YOUY NUTS!?
5) Tavares is staying in Toronto at a home discount.
6) Larkin is not getting traded.
7) McTavish is not on the market.
8) Wright will not get traded.
9) Doesn't sound like Darche will be moving Horvat, although that could be a ploy to get the highest return possible for the Center.
10) You likely meant Anton LUNDELL, not Lindell, but it sure looks like Bennett might be moving on from FLA and Lundell will get the 2C role over there. His 5M Cap hit for the next 5 years is an absolute bargain that will give FLA the Cap flexibility to assemble a roster with talented depth.
11) Tuch is a RW, not a C.
12) Stamkos is a failed experiment in Nashville. He's also 112 years old.
Benett 7y*8m$. We get to keep our depth in picks. Those picks will fuel the upcoming contending winning window.
Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-Benett-Demidov
Anderson-Dach-Newhook
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Kapanen
Ghule-Hutson
Matheson-Carrier
Xhekaj-Reinbacher
Struble-Mailloux
Montambault
Dobes
Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Laine-Benett-Demidov
Anderson-Dach-Newhook
Heineman-Evans-Gallagher
Kapanen
Ghule-Hutson
Matheson-Carrier
Xhekaj-Reinbacher
Struble-Mailloux
Montambault
Dobes
Florian Xhekaj, Logan Mailloux, Owen Beck, Oliver Kapanen, Adam Engström, or Cayden Primeau...
...are not WOW components of any trade package that gets assembled.
I'm just saying that, if they need to be included in a package, with picks, I wouldn't object.
I'd have a harder time inserting Hage, or Fowler, from prospects not currently in the NHL, in a package, but I'd do it if the return was a young blue-chip 2C already established in the NHL and good for another ten years.
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Anderson is a culture setting as per msl , he ain’t going anywhere , and if he was on the market he would have over 20 teams wanting to trade for him
As I mentioned in another thread when looking to address our need at top-4 RD and at 2C, aiming for a UFA RHD and trading for a 2C might be the better solution, looking at multi-facetted, longer term solutions as the preferred solutions.
Provorov as a UFA RHD (he played most of his career as a RHD, even if he is a left-handed shot)frees up enough assets to make a trade for a 2C and still have quality draft picks left over to have an interesting draft this offseason!
My target as a 2C (that would become a 3C once a replacement was formed within the system) would be Zacha that is signed for two more years at only 4.75M. With 7.5M offered for seven years to Provorov, that would add 12.25M in cap burden.
With all the players leaving and the Cap space being freed up, once those players are replaced, we would still have to use all of Price's 10.5M LTIR Cap room to comeuppance with around 13M in cap space.
Going with Provorov + Zacha would leave us 750K or so towards the short term IR.
The Cap ceiling rise next year, plus the Cap gain from moving Matheson, Dach and Laine would cover Hutson's contract extension and leave several Millions on the table to add a top-6 winger. The rise in the Cap ceiling the following year, plus the Cap gained from not extending Gallagher and extending Anderson to a cheaper, shorter term contract would cover Demidov's contract extension and leave more cap room on the table.
Cap room gained over the next two years, would enable Hughes to have enough Cap space left over, even after extending both Hutson and Demidov to lucrative contracts, to eventually extend Reinbacher as well.
I'd perhaps say so about Fowler, but a young enough 'sure thing' at 2C would make me consider moving a 'maybe' at 2C in Hage.
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Get rid of Laine.
Sign Ryan Donato and see what you get with him centering Demidov.
Trade for Adam Klapka to add size and toughness to the team.
As far as the defensive is concerned, trade Struble and acquire Connor Murphy or Andrew Peeke.
Sign Ryan Donato and see what you get with him centering Demidov.
Trade for Adam Klapka to add size and toughness to the team.
As far as the defensive is concerned, trade Struble and acquire Connor Murphy or Andrew Peeke.
I agree with u.. i was sort of shooting from the hip.. id also add in Matty Beniers as an unproven.
I think we have enough assets to make it work, and thank god hugo is at the healm.. this as a pivotal draft/trade/acquire year, we must follow up in playoffs again and get ready for 2026 - which i believe will be whem our real window opens.
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