Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[CHwest]

Both players you mentioned are frustrating to watch for very different reasons.

Roy is frustrating because he got plenty of opportunities to establish himself but his work ethic sucks.

Mesar was frustrating to watch without the puck. His work ethic with the puck, well, before this year at least was exceptional and fruitful.

You implied alot that his no1 challenge was strengh but what i saw is a lack of understanding of NA hockey. What Mesar needed was proper guidance and teaching of the canadian style of hockey.

Me personally, the only thing i find that you’re not appreciating from Mesar’s game is the very high level of refined talent and skills he possesses in certain areas.

I seen you aknowledge his speed but youve been quiet about his other exceptional attributes.

Players that make it, take their opportunity no matter how small and make it work. Gallagher is a perfect example, neither Roy or Mesar have "it". Both will end up in Europe.

 

[Miller Time]

Players that make it, take their opportunity no matter how small and make it work. Gallagher is a perfect example, neither Roy or Mesar have "it". Both will end up in Europe.

Quite a bit premature to make that kind of prediction at this point.

Both, in particular Roy, have already advanced/ "made it" further in pro hockey than the vast majority of their same-aged.

While neither has made it at the NHL level, only about 20 players from Roy's draft class & less than 10 from Mesar's have played a full NHL season.

 

[WinterLion]

He stepped it up last night. Nice game.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Trade him to Chicago while Bedard still remembers him
Target Louis Crevier back, 24yo 6'8" RD

How can we go from Gorton's end-of-season presser where competitiveness and intensity were the new buzzwords, to thinking Roy is still in the organizational plans?

 

[Mrb1p]

Trade him to Chicago while Bedard still remembers him
Target Louis Crevier back, 24yo 6'8" RD

How can we go from Gorton's end-of-season presser where competitiveness and intensity were the new buzzwords, to thinking Roy is still in the organizational plans?

Im guessing you dont watch hockey much, riiight?

 

[DiglettDangles]

Im guessing you dont watch hockey much, riiight?

I've watched multiple Laval games live this year, and read enough of this thread to know your high opinion on him isn't shared by most posters and likely not by his own bosses, so imo it's time to move on.

For the record I don't bring up Crevier because he's a big Quebecor, it's because someone else posted about him near the end of the season as being a target of interest. CHI's D is taking shape and there might not be a spot for him behind Rinzel and Levshunov long-term.

 

[Mrb1p]

Damn this thread is silent for some reason, I wonder what happened.

 

[DAChampion]

Damn this thread is silent for some reason, I wonder what happened.

Roy had his occasional few games playing to his talent level.

He does have talent, clearly high enough to be a top-150 forward at the NHL level. That's known. But he lacks the consistency.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Wonder what the problem is. The first warning flag I got is when Cube was less than gushing about him when talking about our prospects.

Good sign that he’s showing up when it matters but the competition is too thick for him to not stick out way more than he has this year.

 

[overlords]

scoring at a higher clip now in the playoffs than he has in either regular season at the AHL level, he's also finishing his checks and playing with some aggression, it's pretty much what we all wanted to see

 

[26Mats]

scoring at a higher clip now in the playoffs than he has in either regular season at the AHL level, he's also finishing his checks and playing with some aggression, it's pretty much what we all wanted to see

he's coming off a hot last few games. I need more of a sample size to see if this is the real deal.

The talent is there. Let's see about the skating and the style of play long term...

 

[dcyhabs]

Both players you mentioned are frustrating to watch for very different reasons.

Roy is frustrating because he got plenty of opportunities to establish himself but his work ethic sucks.

Mesar was frustrating to watch without the puck. His work ethic with the puck, well, before this year at least was exceptional and fruitful.

You implied alot that his no1 challenge was strengh but what i saw is a lack of understanding of NA hockey. What Mesar needed was proper guidance and teaching of the canadian style of hockey.

Me personally, the only thing i find that you’re not appreciating from Mesar’s game is the very high level of refined talent and skills he possesses in certain areas.

I seen you aknowledge his speed but youve been quiet about his other exceptional attributes.

Roy had the work ethic at other levels. His shot was bad, so he practiced a lot and made it a strength.

He was playing on the pk and digging pucks for Bedard not too long ago. Maybe the AHL is too physical for him.

 

[montreal]

Wonder what the problem is. The first warning flag I got is when Cube was less than gushing about him when talking about our prospects.

Good sign that he’s showing up when it matters but the competition is too thick for him to not stick out way more than he has this year.

it's pretty clear, skating, speed, strength, pace, consistency are his problems. He has high end skill and he's smart in the offensive zone, he's solid in his own end and he's not a total cream puff like Drouin but the efforts in that part of his game are inconsistent.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

it's pretty clear, skating, speed, strength, pace, consistency are his problems. He has high end skill and he's smart in the offensive zone, he's solid in his own end and he's not a total cream puff like Drouin but the efforts in that part of his game are inconsistent.

I meant specifically what his problem is with the inconsistency.

 

[BenchBrawl]

While I always publicly supported Roy on here, because he has too many haters so I want to balance it, all of what @montreal said is true. I hope he can get better in those departments, but also ultimately find a niche playing *his* game at the NHL level. Would it be crazy to compare him to Luc Robitaille?

 

[Paddyjack]

it's pretty clear, skating, speed, strength, pace, consistency are his problems. He has high end skill and he's smart in the offensive zone, he's solid in his own end and he's not a total cream puff like Drouin but the efforts in that part of his game are inconsistent.

Agreed. And unlike others I don't think it is related to work ethics. I think he plays the game his way, and it doesn't fit with the high speed high forecheck game of pro level. He looks slow on the ice, like he is thinking too much.

 

[Archijerej]

He definitely has good offensive instincts, and has a good hockey mind. But it's getting increasingly clear that unless you have Kucherov/Ovechkin level of talent, you cannot play in this league coasting for the right play to come your way. You need to be active and engaged every shift. Roy doesn't do much of that.

He waits positionally for the puck to come into his wheel house, but he doesn't have the high elite skill and quick decision making to turn those few opportunities, low danger opportunities, into scoring chances for himself or linemates.

The nhl has a number of players who put it together in their mid 20s. Unless Roy develops a gear, I don't see this happening.

This is a good description of Roy's game, I think.

He's smart and skilled, but not very mobile, not strong and not overly engaged.

He could be a terrific AHL/Euro league player who won't hurt your team between the blue lines and in your zone and create a lot of offense once you get him the puck in the enemy's end.

In the NHL, his IQ and puck skills don't stand out as much, the physical demands are much higher and no coach would construct a line to cater to Roy's needs.

 

[Mrb1p]

Agreed. And unlike others I don't think it is related to work ethics. I think he plays the game his way, and it doesn't fit with the high speed high forecheck game of pro level. He looks slow on the ice, like he is thinking too much.

Hes always in the right spot and a team thats slower and bigger and likes to play on the cycle will love him.

 

[Archijerej]

Hes always in the right spot and a team thats slower and bigger and likes to play on the cycle will love him.

This might be the case, actually, in an ideal developmental scenario for Roy.

I'm thinking of a guy like Verhaeghe. I might be off on this, but isn't that guy basically a 3rd wheel to two players that are doing most things exceptionally well on 200ft of the ice sheet? He's kind of just...there, supporting the play well enough and not being a liability and then he activates from the blueline in to combine with the other two mostly as a finisher.

A fine player no doubt, but I could easily imagine an environment where he wouldn't be as successful. I believe Dadonov in his Florida days was similar.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Hopefully he builds off these playoffs, puts the work in this summer and has a big camp next fall after he failed to take advantage of the opportunities this past year.

He'll have a bunch of competition with younger guys like Beck, Kapanen, Xhekaj, Davidson, etc this year so hopefully we see him better prepared for next season.

 

[cave troll]

WTF is wrong with this kid?
He has all the tools to succeed and is still anchored in the AHL.
Somebody wake him up for good.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Damn this thread is silent for some reason, I wonder what happened.

Nearly every thread is quieter right now except for the trade thread, it’s off season / summer is starting.

Roy has had stretches of great play before in the AHL and will again. This is nothing new. Good to see him have a key part in a clinching game though

 

[Tyson]

WTF is wrong with this kid?
He has all the tools to succeed and is still anchored in the AHL.
Somebody wake him up for good.

He is lacking the skating tool.

 

[tooji]

He plays a game which attempts to slow the game down which only works if you are a bonafide top line producer. That game does not translate to a 3rd line checking role. His skill level is high, but unfortunately not nearly high enough to compensate for the type of game he wants to play at the professional level.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

I have time for him if he shows the right attitude but so far there's been too much smoke for there to be no fire