Prospect Info: Josh Brook

[montreal]

I've been impressed so far, don't follow the draft much anymore but surprised he fell as he looks like a 1st round pick. Seems to be able to do most things well, but really like the skating/mobility/speed. I don't know what his upside is yet, wouldn't be surprised if it's top pairing in the if everything goes right for him but it's a small sample size.

He's got 7 pts in the last 5 games while being a +9 over that span. But he's also on the top team in the WHL and the highest scoring.

 

[Whitesnake]

So when do we blame TT when he doesnt pan out?

When he doesn't? 'Cause because I think he was a great pick means absolutely nothing as far as whether he was or not? Just my opinion....you know....the armchair wannabe scout who isn't a professionnal hence he knows nothing?

 

[Mrb1p]

When he doesn't? 'Cause because I think he was a great pick means absolutely nothing as far as whether he was or not? Just my opinion....you know....the armchair wannabe scout who isn't a professionnal hence he knows nothing?

Where do we draw the line between the pick made and the progression he makes in our organisation? If he looks great when hes untouched, wouldnt that be a win for Timmins?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Where do we draw the line between the pick made and the progression he makes in our organisation? If he looks great when hes untouched, wouldnt that be a win for Timmins?

I liken it to poker. It can be right to push all your chips in. You can still lose on the river, though.

 

[Mrb1p]

I liken it to poker. It can be right to push all your chips in. You can still lose on the river, though.

It would be true if there was two different persons, one drawing the card and another one making the decision to call, all in or fold.

 

[NotProkofievian]

It would be true if there was two different persons, one drawing the card and another one making the decision to call, all in or fold.

If the card drawn is random, it doesn't matter who's drawing it. It's all decision making under uncertainty. Just because you make the right choice with the information at hand doesn't mean it pays off.

 

[Mrb1p]

If the card drawn is random, it doesn't matter who's drawing it. It's all decision making under uncertainty. Just because you make the right choice with the information at hand doesn't mean it pays off.

Fair enough, but the cards arent random.

 

[Whitesnake]

Where do we draw the line between the pick made and the progression he makes in our organisation? If he looks great when hes untouched, wouldnt that be a win for Timmins?

Unfortunately not as simple as that. 'Cause being touched is not necessarily what stopped a guy's progression. Geez, at one point, it might never be anybody's fault. Sometimes, a guy just stops progressing. His higher point in his career might very well be his junior years. No matter who picks him. And for what team he plays. But if you are a head scout and a scouting group who is rarely able to find anybody (not saying it's the case...), no matter the reason, you will pay the price. Reason why it's surely tough to find guys that are head scout and scouts from 2003 to today.

In the end though, it can't be a win solely for being great when he's untouched. 'Cause Timmins will tell you right now that scouting is not about what a kid does now...it's about what the potential is in the long run. Reason why scouting is difficult. But it's their job.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Fair enough, but the cards arent random.

That's actually true, and a good point - if a bit academic. Dice aren't truly random either, for example. However, because it would be essentially impossible to model the dynamic behaviour of the dice except in static, toy examples, we just say it's random. Unknown behaviours or phenomena are typically modelled as being some kind of random. What matters is how good the model is. For prospects, we can imagine them as having some ''chance'' of making it. You should pick the prospect with the highest ''chance.'' That ''chance'' pretty quickly explodes or goes to 0, though.

 

[Adam Michaels]

At this very moment, it's nice to get the sense that that Josh Brook could've been a first rounder, yet was selected in the second round. Also with Poehling, some would say that right now, he would be at worst a Top-15 pick, yet was selected 25th.

 

[TT1]

Still love the Brook + Fleury picks. Walford + Tyszka.. not so much. I guess Tyszka isn't that big of a deal because he was a 5th rounder.

 

[Hostile Offer]

I've been throwing Brook into a lot of my proposals in the main boards because I feel he's expendable but this kid is looking very good. I'm expecting him to have a great future in the NHL.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Still love the Brook + Fleury picks. Walford + Tyszka.. not so much. I guess Tyszka isn't that big of a deal because he was a 5th rounder.

Isn't Tyszka doing pretty good. Has almost identical numbers to Fleury and is a year younger.

Walford looks to be the one disappointing. Loving what I'm hearing from Brook.

 

[Tyson]

Brook has intriguing upside. Huge fan of Fleury

 

[jfm133]

Tzyka is 4 months younger.

 

[montreal]

Isn't Tyszka doing pretty good. Has almost identical numbers to Fleury and is a year younger.

Walford looks to be the one disappointing. Loving what I'm hearing from Brook.

Tyszka and Fleury are tied with 21 pts each. Tyszka has 1 less game played. Fleury will likely be in the AHL next year where Tyszka will be back in the WHL.

But Fleury is better in his own end then Tyszka.

Walford in the little I've seen played well in his own end, he's got the frame, skating, speed, mobility. Hard to say what his upside is yet but he has next year to work on things in the WHL before turning pro. He's tied for 2nd on his team in plus/minus with a +14. Brook has impressed me the most, looks like he can do it all, not sure why he wasn't a 1st round pick.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Isn't Tyszka doing pretty good. Has almost identical numbers to Fleury and is a year younger.

Walford looks to be the one disappointing. Loving what I'm hearing from Brook.

Some who have watched both play say that Tyszka has more offensive upside but that Walford is more well rounded.

 

[montreal]

Some who have watched both play say that Tyszka has more offensive upside but that Walford is more well rounded.

yea I was saying that as well as I said to keep an eye on Tyszka, he needs a good bit of work in his own end but like the skating/speed/mobility and has had some good pinches. Granted I don't see a ton of WHL games but I have seen them all several times.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Some who have watched both play say that Tyszka has more offensive upside but that Walford is more well rounded.

yeah I meant to actually say Walford's 'production' is disappointing out of al the D we drafted this last one. Thought I heard that Walford actually plays fairly well. Think I also heard someone say earlier on in the season that he might actually be the most pro ready or that his style just translates better at this (or that) point.

I love that all these D are big and can skate. Maybe a few of them can actually crack the bigs. It's still early but it seems like Brook will be an NHLer at least. The other guys seem to need to iron things out but have some good potential.

 

[Tyson]

Is Josh Brook a future NHL Dman or is it too early to tell?

He has not done a whole lot in the WHL playoffs so far.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

Is Josh Brook a future NHL Dman or is it too early to tell?

He has not done a whole lot in the WHL playoffs so far.

Too early to tell. He’s still 18 right? He’s a project top 4 in the mood of a Jeff Petry. Probably 3-4 years away from being ready.

 

[Habs Icing]

Is Josh Brook a future NHL Dman or is it too early to tell?

He has not done a whole lot in the WHL playoffs so far.

Huh? He has 6 points in 12 games.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the card drawn is random, it doesn't matter who's drawing it. It's all decision making under uncertainty. Just because you make the right choice with the information at hand doesn't mean it pays off.

No guarantees but it’s smart to go with probability in your favor. Going all in or a big raise.. depends on circumstance

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is Josh Brook a future NHL Dman or is it too early to tell?

He has not done a whole lot in the WHL playoffs so far.

Grade B type prospect on D. He’s has a ways to go to mature into a regular NHL defensemen in 3 or 4 years time.

Development in the next 3/4 years is up to him.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Grade B type prospect on D. He’s has a ways to go to mature into a regular NHL defensemen in 3 or 4 years time.

Development in the next 3/4 years is up to him.

Is this the Habs motto?