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Kings News: Jordan Nolan contract done. 2 years @ $700k/yr

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glad we got him inked for 2 years! hope we can turn his game around, he can be a damn good hockey player when he wants to be.

now DL can limit his focus to lewis and clifford.
 
Telos said:
It would be hard to keep him, our cap space is going to fall around $1.5 million now with Clifford and Lewis remaining to be signed. If we sign them both, we have to move someone. It is clear that we are moving someone anyway, but Clifford is in a bad spot. We just traded for a left wing who specializes on the fourth line and is a better pest/fighter, that was sort of Clifford's last bastion on the team. I have a feeling the organization now sees Andreoff as a Clifford replacement.
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The Kings have about $3 million. The $1.578 million is already for the max 23 man roster. So you're going to be subtracting 2 cap hits (i.e. Ellerby, Schultz, Martinez, Fraser) if you add Lewis and Clifford. So the Kings will have $3+ million in space for Clifford, Lewis, and injury call-ups.
 
Love Nolan. Emerged as a solid fighter but his game took a step back. He is only 24.

Plus, he is a RW so it doesn't impact Carcillo, Clifford or Andreoff....all LW's.
 
Sam said:
The Kings have about $3 million. The $1.578 million is already for the max 23 man roster. So you're going to be subtracting 2 cap hits (i.e. Ellerby, Schultz, Martinez, Fraser) if you add Lewis and Clifford. So the Kings will have $3+ million in space for Clifford, Lewis, and injury call-ups.
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We are already at 23 right now without signing Lewis or Clifford, someone has to go. You'd have to explain the CBA reasons behind that as well, I don't remember benched players not counting financially against the cap. We were at $2.2 million before we signed Nolan. Dean isn't going to the ceiling. There is no way he'd be comfortable to be right there within 100k. He and Hextall said it over and over again that they won't.
 
I hope one of Nolan, Clifford or Andreoff proves they are more than 4th line players. Miss having a guy like Simmonds who can shuffle anywhere in the line-up but still bring skill an toughness.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I hope one of Nolan, Clifford or Andreoff proves they are more than 4th line players. Miss having a guy like Simmonds who can shuffle anywhere in the line-up but still bring skill an toughness.
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I've always had 3rd line hopes for Andreoff, though I am not sure how promising that is anymore. Clifford will, at minimum, be a third line player I think. I can't see Nolan becoming more than fourth liner though, but he does have the hands to accomplish it.
 
Telos said:
We are already at 23 right now without signing Lewis or Clifford, someone has to go. You'd have to explain the CBA reasons behind that as well, I don't remember benched players not counting financially against the cap. We were at $2.2 million before we signed Nolan. Dean isn't going to the ceiling. There is no way he'd be comfortable to be right there within 100k. He and Hextall said it over and over again that they won't.
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A team can only have 23 players on a roster. So if guys like Ellerby, Schultz, and Fraser get claimed on waivers or get buried in Manchester, they won't count against the cap (Martinez would be traded for an asset if he was moved).
 
My thoughts are that the Kings do one of the following Toffoli starts in Manchester OR the Kings deal one of Williams, Fraser or King.

If you deal Williams, you make room for Toffoli. If you deal King you make room for Frattin or Carcillo or Clifford. If you deal Fraser you make room for Lewis to center the 4th line.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Lewis
Clifford-Fraser-Nolan

If Toffoli makes it you have to take out Fraser and shift Lewis to 4th line center and let TT take the 3rd line RW spot. If you deal King, you can insert Carcillo/Frattin/Clifford.
 
Sam said:
A team can only have 23 players on a roster. So if guys like Ellerby, Schultz, and Fraser get claimed on waivers or get buried in Manchester, they won't count against the cap (Martinez would be traded for an asset if he was moved).
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Well, yeah that's obvious, we could certainly sign them both, go over the cap, have training camp, and then waive a few players, but I don't think it helps Clifford out that much, other than getting a deal done and perhaps raising his value depending on the contract. Who knows, it may even hurt his value if the rumored $1.5 million was correct. In all likeliness we are going to keep a spare forward and two spare defensemen, I doubt Dean is going to waive a defenseman to keep his fourth line forward.
 
Kings won't make Clifford a healthy scratch. He has only been once or twice I believe. I dont think they want TT riding the pine in hos sophmore tear either. So Carcillo is the spare forward but Kings have 3 NHL defenseman....so someone is out.
 
Johnny Utah said:
My thoughts are that the Kings do one of the following Toffoli starts in Manchester OR the Kings deal one of Williams, Fraser or King.

If you deal Williams, you make room for Toffoli. If you deal King you make room for Frattin or Carcillo or Clifford. If you deal Fraser you make room for Lewis to center the 4th line.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Lewis
Clifford-Fraser-Nolan

If Toffoli makes it you have to take out Fraser and shift Lewis to 4th line center and let TT take the 3rd line RW spot. If you deal King, you can insert Carcillo/Frattin/Clifford.
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I don't see any reason why Toffoli should start in Manchester, put him on Stoll's line and move Lewis to 4C, and rotate the wingers on the 4th line. Can't see us dealing Williams either, I see one or two of King/Fraser/Clifford being dealt.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings won't make Clifford a healthy scratch. He has only been once or twice I believe. I dont think they want TT riding the pine in hos sophmore tear either. So Carcillo is the spare forward but Kings have 3 NHL defenseman....so someone is out.
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One of the defensemen is out for sure, but I am unsure on Carcillo being the spare forward, depends on camp I guess, but I see:

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
Carcillo-Fraser-Lewis
Clifford, Nolan

I think Nolan is the spare forward, and Clifford is the odd man out. Don't see a reason to pay him $1m+ to either sit in the box or play a couple minutes on the fourth line, especially given his value and potential. He should replace King, but I don't see Sutter or Lombardi agreeing. Andreoff also makes Clifford more expendable as a bottom 6 forward, and then you throw Carcillo into the mix and there just isn't anywhere for him to go. Given our defensive situation, I don't see us carrying two spare forwards either, only one.
 
Nolan, Fraser and Carcillo can all rotate for two spots. They have all been healthy scratches before. Clifford is an everyday player so they either deal him or King.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Love Nolan. Emerged as a solid fighter but his game took a step back. He is only 24.

Plus, he is a RW so it doesn't impact Carcillo, Clifford or Andreoff....all LW's.
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I'm glad to see Nolan signed. He has the advantage of being son of Ted, who is a great teacher. I look for a lot of improvement this coming season.
 
Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Carcillo-Richards-Carter
Frattin-Stoll-Toffoli
King-Fraser-Lewis
Nolan

That's how I see it playing out. And honestly those wingers outside of maybe Brown are going to move around to different lines at different times throughout the season.

Clifford goes for a 2nd and a meh prospect. Or a great prospect straight up. Or a couple of decent picks. But who knows he could be packaged with Muzzin or Martinez and get us an even better LW.
 
I actually like King-Lewis-Nolan as the 4th line with Fraser a scratch. Speed in the middle with Lewie and the two big winger friends on either side.

But overall pretty solid Reaper. All those LW's will rotate.
 
I think a 4th line of Andreoff - Lewis - Nolan is better. Speed and good hitting.
 
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