Jordan Eberle/Justin Schultz/Dallas Eakins

[Team_Spirit]

It's always a risk to go with a rookie coach.

chop wood carry water lmao i bet Hall looked at him like WTFFFF is this 1932 ??

 

[Bandwagon In Flames*]

I will say that Edmonton did look better in the game against Calgary. Eakins was a ****** arrogant coach.

The Oilers are still mentally fragile and completely fold at the first sign of adversity.

Culture won't change while Lowe and MacT are still around. Ference is also a complete d-bag who's frustration is bringing even more shame to the organization.

 

[The Nuge]

So sick of Oiler fans using Eakins as an excuse. Yes he sucked, but more so the players on their team aren't ready for their role and they aren't that good. Give Nelson more time, the players will continue to suck.

And that's hilarious that you just said Shultz is a +24 player under Nelson but a -30 player under Eakins.

You don't realize just how bad Eakins was. This team isn't a playoff team, but they're better than their record.

 

[THall4]

Hall is still garbage.

Explain that one.

Playing hurt.

 

[Whiston532]

We can debate the quality of the players and all the hundred different things wrong with the Oilers.

But it's undeniable that Eakins was a terrible coach who brought this team down. How much ? It's debatable. But that negative impa was there. I'm as critical of the team as a fan can get. And even though they're still terrible, Nelsn has managed to bring something to the team to make them (or atleast some of them) better. Maybe he's a possibly solid coach, or maybe it's just the absence of Eakins level crap. But there's atleast flashes.

 

[Freudian]

Some people talk a big game. MacTavish does and he fell in love with a guy that also does in Eakins. Shame there wasn't a lot of substance there.

 

[Tillhas]

Honestly, way too small of a sample size. He still isn't worth 6mill a year.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Call me crazy, but a 25% increase in PPG is pretty damn significant. That's the difference between being a 2nd liner vs. a legit 1st liner.

Small sample size.

 

[Tillhas]

Playing hurt.

He told Jason Gregor and Gregor mentioned on 1260, hall said his knee is 100%. so this new injury of getting hit with a puck at practice is the new one and he came back early like an idiot and reinjured that bone bruise.

Stop saying hes playing hurt and making excuses.
HES HURT NOW BECAUSE OF A PUCK TO THE LEG AT PRACTICE. THAT IS TOTALLY
SEPERATE FROM HIS KNEE INJURY

In summary, his knee is fine and he is having a bad season just admit it stop with the excuses.

 

[Sojourn]

Damn fat fingers

Anyway.

Schultz w/Eakins

30GP 2g - 9a - 11 PTS -10

Schultz w/Nelson

20GP 2g - 8a - 10 pts +6

Basically Justin Schultz is a 40 point + 24 defenceman under Nelson, and a 25 point - 30 defenceman under Eakins. Eberle's turnaround is less shocking.

Really? That really isn't how it works at all.

 

[missinthejets]

He told Jason Gregor and Gregor mentioned on 1260, hall said his knee is 100%. so this new injury of getting hit with a puck at practice is the new one and he came back early like an idiot and reinjured that bone bruise.

Stop saying hes playing hurt and making excuses.
HES HURT NOW BECAUSE OF A PUCK TO THE LEG AT PRACTICE. THAT IS TOTALLY
SEPERATE FROM HIS KNEE INJURY

In summary, his knee is fine and he is having a bad season just admit it stop with the excuses.

30 points in 42 games still so it's not like it's THAT bad, just compared to the lofty bar he set. When you think that he was on his usual PPG pace before he hurt his knee and his pace fell off after that and he has also admitted that he might have come back to soon from that injury then yeah you get the picture of a guy who probably was playing hurt.

Hall has been remarkably consistent around a point per game since partway through his 2nd season until that injury this season. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt for playing hurt just because prior to that the guy never really had too many ups or down in his production level.

 

[Swervin81]

Damn fat fingers

Anyway.

Schultz w/Eakins

30GP 2g - 9a - 11 PTS -10

Schultz w/Nelson

20GP 2g - 8a - 10 pts +6

Basically Justin Schultz is a 40 point + 24 defenceman under Nelson, and a 25 point - 30 defenceman under Eakins. Eberle's turnaround is less shocking.

Wow, that's... not how it works.

 

[missinthejets]

Honestly, way too small of a sample size. He still isn't worth 6mill a year.

What about before Eakins? I said it before, guys look good before Eakins, look bad with Eakins and look good after Eakins what's the common denominator? Eakins made players worse. The only guy he didn't make Worse was Taylor Hall and based on this season even that is debatable.

The evidence is there smacking everyone across the face. You want to make your young players into worse players hire Dallas Eakins.

 

[Swervin81]

Wait, I'm confused, what did we do? Be impressed by the coach of our AHL affiliate who took a pretty young Toronto Marlies team to the Finals on the back of many of our best prospects?

And don't you think we've suffered enough..

You are reading it wrong.

Leafs deserve Eakins as coach. Eakins is a horrible coach that aids the tank. Therefore the Leafs deserve a better tank. A better tank = a top prospect. Therefore, the Leafs deserve a top prospect. McDavid = top prospect. Therefore, the Leafs deserve McDavid

 

[Fourier]

He told Jason Gregor and Gregor mentioned on 1260, hall said his knee is 100%. so this new injury of getting hit with a puck at practice is the new one and he came back early like an idiot and reinjured that bone bruise.

Stop saying hes playing hurt and making excuses.
HES HURT NOW BECAUSE OF A PUCK TO THE LEG AT PRACTICE. THAT IS TOTALLY
SEPERATE FROM HIS KNEE INJURY

In summary, his knee is fine and he is having a bad season just admit it stop with the excuses.

Hall's injury was a second degree MCL sprain. That injury typically takes about 6 weeks for the knee to be close to 100%. It also generally requires a rigid knee brace which Hall was wearing at least up until very recently. His mobility was noticeably impacted. Moreover, if you take out the 6 week period following his injury say from Nov 3-Dec 16, he has 22 points in 26 games. This is not his usual pace but it does suggest the injury was a factor.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

He told Jason Gregor and Gregor mentioned on 1260, hall said his knee is 100%. so this new injury of getting hit with a puck at practice is the new one and he came back early like an idiot and reinjured that bone bruise.

Stop saying hes playing hurt and making excuses.
HES HURT NOW BECAUSE OF A PUCK TO THE LEG AT PRACTICE. THAT IS TOTALLY
SEPERATE FROM HIS KNEE INJURY

In summary, his knee is fine and he is having a bad season just admit it stop with the excuses.

Oh thanks, I guess we'll pass the memo to every fan that some random 8 post guy told us to stop making excuses.

 

[SirPaste]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Wheatking]

He told Jason Gregor and Gregor mentioned on 1260, hall said his knee is 100%. so this new injury of getting hit with a puck at practice is the new one and he came back early like an idiot and reinjured that bone bruise.

Stop saying hes playing hurt and making excuses.
HES HURT NOW BECAUSE OF A PUCK TO THE LEG AT PRACTICE. THAT IS TOTALLY
SEPERATE FROM HIS KNEE INJURY

In summary, his knee is fine and he is having a bad season just admit it stop with the excuses.

I think he was probably lying. He missed the ASG before he was hit in the leg in practice.

 

[phrenssoa]

Yeah Hall definitely seems to be playing injured... He seems to have lost a TON of speed.

 

[s7ark]

I think he was probably lying. He missed the ASG before he was hit in the leg in practice.

Hall will say he is 100% if he has a stick all the way through his upper torso. He's just that kind of player. Anyone watching him can see he doesn't have that extra jump in his step that separates him from other top 6 wingers

 

[McAsuno]

Oilers are still bad. But under Nelson, they've been playing better than the whole Eakins tenure. Obviously Eakins can't be blamed for it all, but surely he gets most of it. Why? He's a horrible coach who's over his head with his corsi and fitness crap. Good riddance, Eakins.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

They're still in the honey moon period with Nelson, where they're simply playing better because its a new coach and they're happy they got rid of the old coach.

This usually happens with new coaches and teams get a bump and improved work ethic as they try to impress the new guy. Then the lack of depth will kick in and the bad efforts will return and bamm Nelson's out of a job and Coach Gordon Ramsey takes over.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

They're still in the honey moon period with Nelson, where they're simply playing better because its a new coach and they're happy they got rid of the old coach.

This usually happens with new coaches and teams get a bump and improved work ethic as they try to impress the new guy. Then the lack of depth will kick in and the bad efforts will return and bamm Nelson's out of a job and Coach Gordon Ramsey takes over.

Soooo did the leafs skip the honeymoon period and go straight into resentment and hating each other?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Really? That really isn't how it works at all.

It's a small sample size, but Schultz is playing better hockey under Nelson than he ever did under Eakins.

If that interferes with the leagues perception of 'OMG OILERZ R BAD SHULTZ IS BAD LOLOL MCDAVID' that's too bad. Every single player on this team with the exception of a hurt Hall has been better since the coaching change.

 

[Wheatking]

I'm not impressed by this recent run. Don't get me wrong, the team definitely looks better, but there's some overachieving going on here. You know what Nelson has had that Eakins didn't? Two 45-50 goal scorers in Eberle and Pouliot. They aren't going to keep it up. Roy only has 2 points in his last 7 games after that hot start. I believe Hall, RNH and Yakupov have combined for 4 goals since Nelson took over.

We may have 7 wins since Nelson took over, but only 3 of them were in regulation. That's 3 regulation wins since December 15th. Even Eakins managed 6 regulation wins in the first 15 games of the season.

I think this team comes crashing down to reality with Eberle, Pouliot and our decent goaltending pretty soon. I'm not saying we're going to go on another 10-15 game losing streak or be "Buffalo bad" but this isn't a 0.500 team.