Jordan Eberle/Justin Schultz/Dallas Eakins
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ChaoticOrange
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Damn fat fingers 
Anyway.
Schultz w/Eakins
30GP 2g - 9a - 11 PTS -10
Schultz w/Nelson
20GP 2g - 8a - 10 pts +6
Basically Justin Schultz is a 40 point + 24 defenceman under Nelson, and a 25 point - 30 defenceman under Eakins. Eberle's turnaround is less shocking.
Anyway.
Schultz w/Eakins
30GP 2g - 9a - 11 PTS -10
Schultz w/Nelson
20GP 2g - 8a - 10 pts +6
Basically Justin Schultz is a 40 point + 24 defenceman under Nelson, and a 25 point - 30 defenceman under Eakins. Eberle's turnaround is less shocking.
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So sick of Oiler fans using Eakins as an excuse. Yes he sucked, but more so the players on their team aren't ready for their role and they aren't that good. Give Nelson more time, the players will continue to suck.
And that's hilarious that you just said Shultz is a +24 player under Nelson but a -30 player under Eakins.
And that's hilarious that you just said Shultz is a +24 player under Nelson but a -30 player under Eakins.
Small sample size dude - the numbers are skewed. There's been a larger sample size with Eakins and as much as you want to disregard it, it's probably a better indication of their play due to sample size. The hockey they played under Eakins shouldn't be thrown out the door - it's still viable evidence of Oilers hockey. I'd say the true value of their play is somewhere in between the two coaches.
Eberle is a bad example: he was hurt in the start of the season if I recall.
That would be like saying Hall was more successful under Eakins. Nelson can't coach and develop the brightest star on the oilers properly.
Eberle is a bad example: he was hurt in the start of the season if I recall.
That would be like saying Hall was more successful under Eakins. Nelson can't coach and develop the brightest star on the oilers properly.
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Sample size to small. will be interesting to look at the numbers at the end of the season though.
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Sample sizes be damned - Eakins was the worst coach the Oilers have ever had, and they've had a few doozies. Nelson might not be the second coming, but he's significantly better than Eakins, and the fact that an average coach (Nelson) might be considered as a significant improvement over Eakins shows just how bad Eakins was.
ChaoticOrange
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You're both wildly underestimating how much better this team has been under Todd Nelson. Every player on the team has been better, Eberle and Schultz have just been the most drastic. The team competes harder, doesn't quit, and believes in itself more after 20 games of Nelson then it ever did in Eakins 120ish game reign.
Obviously the sample size is small but the turnaround is stunning.
To put it another way:
Edmonton under Nelson
7-6-2, beating teams like Chicago, Washington, the Isles, the Sharks, LA. These aren't easy teams.
Edmonton under Eakins (this year)
7-22-7
But, Dhins, you're right. Probably nothing at all to do with the coach
Obviously the sample size is small but the turnaround is stunning.
To put it another way:
Edmonton under Nelson
7-6-2, beating teams like Chicago, Washington, the Isles, the Sharks, LA. These aren't easy teams.
Edmonton under Eakins (this year)
7-22-7
But, Dhins, you're right. Probably nothing at all to do with the coach
oilers_guy_eddie
Playoffs? PLAYOFFS!?
The roster still sucks, but the team was never as bad as it looked under Eakins. The guy is such a **** **** joke. Everything from his **** Swarm defense, to practices where he just stands around and draws on his white-board, to tactics designed to improve "analytics" instead of scoring goals or preventing them. It's like the entire Eakins era was some kind of weird experiment in expanding the boundaries of utter incompetence.
I mean, yes, the roster is bad and there are a lot of things wrong with the team that Eakins had no control over. But everything that Eakins did have control over, he absolutely ****ed up beyond recognition.
Of all the stupid things MacTavish has done since taking over, giving Dallas Eakins 18 months to **** up the team and the players is by far the stupidest. The guy is an absolute unmitigated disaster. There just aren't words to do justice to what a gong show Eakins is. If the NHL ever opens an expansion franchise on the moon, I hope Eakins is the head coach and GM.
I mean, yes, the roster is bad and there are a lot of things wrong with the team that Eakins had no control over. But everything that Eakins did have control over, he absolutely ****ed up beyond recognition.
Of all the stupid things MacTavish has done since taking over, giving Dallas Eakins 18 months to **** up the team and the players is by far the stupidest. The guy is an absolute unmitigated disaster. There just aren't words to do justice to what a gong show Eakins is. If the NHL ever opens an expansion franchise on the moon, I hope Eakins is the head coach and GM.
Whiston532
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Obviously the team hasn't done much to improve its place in the standings and that falls on everyone. But saying that replacing Eakins with with Nelson has been anything less then a clear improvement is silly.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Eberle his numbers are not much different.
15 in 20
18 in 30
this isn't really night and day for such a small sample size
15 in 20
18 in 30
this isn't really night and day for such a small sample size
Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
Exellent. Hope EDM's players keep improving and they start winning games 
That way the leafs can get a better chance at McEichel
That way the leafs can get a better chance at McEichel 
Gigantor The Goalie
Speak for the Goalies
Damn fat fingers
Anyway.
Schultz w/Eakins
30GP 2g - 9a - 11 PTS -10
Schultz w/Nelson
20GP 2g - 8a - 10 pts +6
Basically Justin Schultz is a 40 point + 24 defenceman under Nelson, and a 25 point - 30 defenceman under Eakins. Eberle's turnaround is less shocking.
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What about their performance before Eakins though? When you have guys doing better before Eakins and better after Eakins then you can not simply ignore how bad Eakins was. I know people love to **** on the Oilers, but that team was never as bad as Eakins made them. Been trying to tell people that for a long time but people are way too stuck on their "LOL Oilerz" mentality. The team is flawed in some respects but they were always better than they looked under Eakins, the worst coach ever.
Some Other Flame
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It's not entirely an excuse. Eakins was a horrific coach that was badly over-hyped by the Toronto/Eastern media hype machine. Were it not for his AHL antics, the Oilers would very likely be a bubble playoff team in the same vein as Dallas.
The Oilers still have a ton of holes in their lineup but Eakins was a legitimate cancer. Not surprised at all that even with another rookie hire, they've managed to at least look semi-respectful for the most part. It'll take time to get rid of all the bad habits they acquired in the last couple of years.
I'm no Oilers fan but the Leafs deserve Eakins as a coach just to get a taste of their own medicine.
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MikeModano9
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How about Eakins stubbornness trying to prove his defensive system as the best there is. Even though it didn't ever work for this team. Yet he tried it night in and night out. Loss after loss. Then Nelson comes in and instantly changes it so players are put in position to succeed. Nelson knows the players much much better than Eakins ever did. Just look at how he's using Klefbom. Who has turned to a very solid top 4 Dman under Nelson so far. Albeit small sample size. It's been a night and day change of the attitude on the team since Eakins was fired.
tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
Yeah, the Oilers are better under Nelson than they where under Eakins, still need to add an impact defenseman before they can really improve though.
HockeyThoughts
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Wait, I'm confused, what did we do? Be impressed by the coach of our AHL affiliate who took a pretty young Toronto Marlies team to the Finals on the back of many of our best prospects?
And don't you think we've suffered enough..
McDavidson
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I get that people want to use the whole this team is garbage regardless of the coach. Which we are a bad team either way, no arguing that.
But for anyone who watches the Oilers regularly. It is night and day difference of how the team plays, looks, acts, matches up, plays systems.
Eakins Systems were a complete joke, his line matching, decision making all were terrible
Favourite eakins is a dummy moment, which happened at least once a game. Oilers checking line sustains pressure, holds zone for around a minute, opposing team ices the puck. Opposing team does not call time out. They have a 3rd or 4th line, tired on the ice. eakins counters with his 4th line for offence zone face off. Oilers Lose draw, opposing team clears puck, changes to top line, and hems in oilers till the oilers ice the puck. Oilers do not call time out, Other team wins next face off, scores easy goal.
This happened game after game. Terrible use of players, terrible philosophies. If anyone tries to argue anything different, you clearly have not watched enough games to notice the giant egomaniac we had behind the bench.
But for anyone who watches the Oilers regularly. It is night and day difference of how the team plays, looks, acts, matches up, plays systems.
Eakins Systems were a complete joke, his line matching, decision making all were terrible
Favourite eakins is a dummy moment, which happened at least once a game. Oilers checking line sustains pressure, holds zone for around a minute, opposing team ices the puck. Opposing team does not call time out. They have a 3rd or 4th line, tired on the ice. eakins counters with his 4th line for offence zone face off. Oilers Lose draw, opposing team clears puck, changes to top line, and hems in oilers till the oilers ice the puck. Oilers do not call time out, Other team wins next face off, scores easy goal.
This happened game after game. Terrible use of players, terrible philosophies. If anyone tries to argue anything different, you clearly have not watched enough games to notice the giant egomaniac we had behind the bench.
Beukeboom Fan
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Call me crazy, but a 25% increase in PPG is pretty damn significant. That's the difference between being a 2nd liner vs. a legit 1st liner.
oobga
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Eakins was an unbelievably bad HC. No properly run NHL team would have let him stay as HC beyond a month or 2. It was only special circumstances in Edmonton (MacT, a rookie GM given the flexibility of a 10 year vet GM by his buddy Lowe, put his reputation on the line hiring him basically) that let him stay beyond that.
Just think back to all the terrible coaches in history where it was immediately apparent they were in over their heads very early on and they were quickly canned. That's the category Eakins belongs in, and we will pay for a while for not doing what a real team would have done by firing him in Oct or Nov 2013.
We're still not a playoff team without Eakins for sure, the team is badly flawed. But we're not a 1:2 W/L team either that can't compete at all against their own conference unless there is some brutal coaching dragging the team down like we had under Eakins (were almost 1:3 W/L under him this year actually).
Just think back to all the terrible coaches in history where it was immediately apparent they were in over their heads very early on and they were quickly canned. That's the category Eakins belongs in, and we will pay for a while for not doing what a real team would have done by firing him in Oct or Nov 2013.
We're still not a playoff team without Eakins for sure, the team is badly flawed. But we're not a 1:2 W/L team either that can't compete at all against their own conference unless there is some brutal coaching dragging the team down like we had under Eakins (were almost 1:3 W/L under him this year actually).
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