Player Discussion Joonas Korpisalo

[BruinDust]

You keep saying this and I still don't get it, because it doesn't really answer why Swayman is so much worse than any other starter right now when they all face the same apparent disadvantages.

It's an excuse for his play IMO, I watch plenty of goalies this year beat shooters one on one with more consistency than Sway this year.

Go read my post above #647. I don't have much more to say about it. The game has evolved, believe it, or don't believe it. I really don't care at this point. My advice, change your expectations of NHL goaltenders, or your likely going to disappointed a lot moving forward.

Why is a goalie thread popping off the day after this team only scored one goal AGAIN????

Score some damn goals Korpi! What are we paying you for!!

Because people at still mad at Swayman for getting a new contract while the team in front of him sucks.

 

[NDiesel]

Go read my post above #647. I don't have much more to say about it. The game has evolved, believe it, or don't believe it. I really don't care at this point. My advice, change your expectations of NHL goaltenders, or your likely going to disappointed a lot moving forward.



Because people at still mad at Swayman for getting a new contract while the team in front of him sucks.

Okay it changed, but again why is Swayman doing so much more poorly than his peers either way? It can't all be on the team in front of him surely?

 

[LSCII]

If you didn’t watch them either then why are you using them to support your argument?


No one would have a bigger field day than you if Krejci put up 30 points after signing for $7M. Like you said, there’s no excuses when you’re paid to produce, or in this case stop pucks.

The issue is how that entire scenario played out. Sweeney f***ed that up every step of the way, yet fans like yourself are putting it all on Swayman. Sway didn't make Donnie Harvard trade his leverage before negotiating an extension with Swayman. That was Sweeney. Swayman didn't go public and claim the team was making an offer when it hadn't. That was Neely. Swayman didn't force the Bruins to drag their feet on their offers, forcing him to miss camp. That was again Sweeney.

 

[BruinDust]

Okay it changed, but again why is Swayman doing so much more poorly than his peers either way? It can't all be on the team in front of him surely?

In those blowout losses, it was most of it.

He can and should be better. I'll never claim he's been great or meet expectations. A disjointed start with the holdout, some of those losses no doubt affecting his confidence even if the goals aren't all his fault. One thing about those games were you could see as the game went on things snowballed. For example, goals 7 and 8 vs. Winnipeg. It's easy to say just stop the next one and put the last one behind you but that's easier said than done.

But overall this is on the team in front of him. As much as we blame the D-men, it's the centers who have really let this team down defensively this season. A lot of those high danger chances IMO are on the center. The change in the system in the early going (where most of those blowout losses came from) caused a lot of his skewed numbers.

They need to find a way to play better defensively in front of whoever is in net when they face strong teams, because they are about to start facing strong teams more and more often as the season moves along.

 

[BruinDust]

I'll just leave this here. I don't watch post-game pressers, but has Monty or Sacco even one time stood up for their goalies and pointed the finger at the shit defensive play in front of them?

 

[Mainehockey33]

The issue is how that entire scenario played out. Sweeney f***ed that up every step of the way, yet fans like yourself are putting it all on Swayman. Sway didn't make Donnie Harvard trade his leverage before negotiating an extension with Swayman. That was Sweeney. Swayman didn't go public and claim the team was making an offer when it hadn't. That was Neely. Swayman didn't force the Bruins to drag their feet on their offers, forcing him to miss camp. That was again Sweeney.

Didn’t Swayman go on podcasts and talk about setting the market and being a business major. Both sides leaked contract amounts. I just think it’s funny how we were gas lit all summer by fans that said his stats as a backup and beating Toronto in the first round means he’s one of the best goalies in the world, worth $9M+ and won’t miss a beat being the go to number one. Sweeney was doomed either way because all roads lead to Rome with some fans. If he held out on Swayman he’s going to get shit on for not signing our stud number one goalie, when he gives in a little to get Swayman signed before opening day he got fleeced and should have held out because we can’t expect a goalie to make the leagues worst defense look good.

 

[TCB]

I'll just leave this here. I don't watch post-game pressers, but has Monty or Sacco even one time stood up for their goalies and pointed the finger at the shit defensive play in front of them?

I don't believe so,but Marchand did say that Swayman was part of the problem.

 

[BruinDust]

I don't believe so,but Marchand did say that Swayman was part of the problem.

And I don't have issue with Marchand saying that. As captain I think he needs to treat everyone the same. He's not the coach, he's not management, he has no decision making power. He's a peer.

Same with Swayman taking the blame and not throwing his teammates under the bus. The players need to stick together.

 

[LSCII]

Didn’t Swayman go on podcasts and talk about setting the market and being a business major. Both sides leaked contract amounts. I just think it’s funny how we were gas lit all summer by fans that said his stats as a backup and beating Toronto in the first round means he’s one of the best goalies in the world, worth $9M+ and won’t miss a beat being the go to number one. Sweeney was doomed either way because all roads lead to Rome with some fans. If he held out on Swayman he’s going to get shit on for not signing our stud number one goalie, when he gives in a little to get Swayman signed before opening day he got fleeced and should have held out because we can’t expect a goalie to make the leagues worst defense look good.

Going on a podcast and being asked about your contract status is vastly different than the team holding a press conference and the club president making a false claim that they'd offered a player a deal that was never offered, no?

As for what he was worth, like I said, Sweeney put the cart before the horse. He moved his leverage and then expected the other guy to not take advantage of the situation, which was foolhardy. At that point, they did have to pay Swayman because they'd willingly put their eggs in one basket and were hard pressed for alternatives. What further compounded their collection of miscues was dragging it on through the preseason and signing him after camp was done. They should have shit or gotten off the pot. If he was looking for some magic number, you meet it and be done with it. Or you decided as an organization that you don't value you him that much and you trade him. Delaying on which way to go did nothing but set everything back even further than it was.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Their defensive system doesn't have the pieces to pull it off anymore. The backchecking and defensive positional play from the forwards is awful as are the clears and misguided long passes to spring odd man rushes from the D. This worked with more intelligent, responsible players. That time has passed.
Bigger, slower, heavier, dumber, is not working.
On paper, too good to blow it up, on the ice to ineffective to win against good teams.

The reason they went out and got Chara when they did, was the on-ice leadership was ineffective/absent. I like Marsh and he is trying to carry the team on his back, but the other "core" leaders, Pasta, Mc, Carlo, Coyle, Swayman, are just not getting it done enough to have the others follow.

We were competitive for a long while, this was bound to happen

 

[Mainehockey33]

Going on a podcast and being asked about your contract status is vastly different than the team holding a press conference and the club president making a false claim that they'd offered a player a deal that was never offered, no?

As for what he was worth, like I said, Sweeney put the cart before the horse. He moved his leverage and then expected the other guy to not take advantage of the situation, which was foolhardy. At that point, they did have to pay Swayman because they'd willingly put their eggs in one basket and were hard pressed for alternatives. What further compounded their collection of miscues was dragging it on through the preseason and signing him after camp was done. They should have shit or gotten off the pot. If he was looking for some magic number, you meet it and be done with it. Or you decided as an organization that you don't value you him that much and you trade him. Delaying on which way to go did nothing but set everything back even further than it was.

So they keep Ullmark, Swayman sits out to start the season and then what? You can’t fit both under the cap so you trade Ullmark to the first team that agrees to take him once Swayman accepts $6M? When was the last time anything close to this happened? Gtfo Ullmark, thanks for being our collateral lol

 

[LSCII]

So they keep Ullmark, Swayman sits out to start the season and then what? You can’t fit both under the cap so you trade Ullmark to the first team that agrees to take him once Swayman accepts $6M? When was the last time anything close to this happened? Gtfo Ullmark, thanks for being our collateral lol

Trading Ullmark wasn't the issue. It was the order of operations. You want Swayman, you negotiate with him before you trade Ullmark. If he's acting unreasonable, you sign Ullmark to an extension and move Swayman. Either way you're covered because you have leverage. If you trade one of them before signing the other to an extension, you have no leverage. Sweeney got schooled in this comedy of errors. And I'm sure Swayman enjoyed it because they had a contentious arbitration hearing the year before where Boston took Sway out behind the woodshed and slapped him around. He learned from that lesson that this is a business so this time around, he treated it as such. And when Sweeney f***ed up, he had them. And they paid for it.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Trading Ullmark wasn't the issue. It was the order of operations. You want Swayman, you negotiate with him before you trade Ullmark. If he's acting unreasonable, you sign Ullmark to an extension and move Swayman. Either way you're covered because you have leverage. If you trade one of them before signing the other to an extension, you have no leverage. Sweeney got schooled in this comedy of errors. And I'm sure Swayman enjoyed it because they had a contentious arbitration hearing the year before where Boston took Sway out behind the woodshed and slapped him around. He learned from that lesson that this is a business so this time around, he treated it as such. And when Sweeney f***ed up, he had them. And they paid for it.

We’re all paying for it at the moment.

 

[NDiesel]

Trading Ullmark wasn't the issue. It was the order of operations. You want Swayman, you negotiate with him before you trade Ullmark. If he's acting unreasonable, you sign Ullmark to an extension and move Swayman. Either way you're covered because you have leverage. If you trade one of them before signing the other to an extension, you have no leverage. Sweeney got schooled in this comedy of errors. And I'm sure Swayman enjoyed it because they had a contentious arbitration hearing the year before where Boston took Sway out behind the woodshed and slapped him around. He learned from that lesson that this is a business so this time around, he treated it as such. And when Sweeney f***ed up, he had them. And they paid for it.

In theory you're right, the two issues being that Ullmark's NTC was going to reset and he could put them in a tough spot and pretty well cancel most trades by by purposely leaving off teams who aren't looking at goalies in the offseason on his list and putting teams who are looking for goalies on his last.

Secondly, even if they kept Ullmark I'm pretty sure Sway and his agent would still be willing to bet that they would be moving Ullmark as soon as they sign, thus any perceived leverage the team thinks they have is gone anyway.

Sway and his agent did take advantage of the situation and you can't blame them for that, but Sway has yet to look like an $8.5 mil goalie early on.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

He hasn't looked like a 4M w/1M retained goalie either