Jones open to/working with Blackhawks on trade

[kmwtrucks]

in fine with retaining. the Next 3 seasons with the cap going up I dont see how we are going to get near the cap. in years 4-5 of our roster will be guys on ELC contracts or there second contract so those you can always bridge if it makes sense and then extend more once Jones is off. Jones 50% and donato for 2026 1st 2027 2nd hemming and bourque. maybe swap donato for maroon and make it a 2026 or 2025 3rd

 

[u2wojo]

in fine with retaining. the Next 3 seasons with the cap going up I dont see how we are going to get near the cap. in years 4-5 of our roster will be guys on ELC contracts or there second contract so those you can always bridge if it makes sense and then extend more once Jones is off. Jones 50% and donato for 2026 1st 2027 2nd hemming and bourque. maybe swap donato for maroon and make it a 2026 or 2025 3rd

I don't love Jones but the money part of not liking him is about to go out the window. There really is no reason a team (virtually any) needs the Hawks retaining 50% on him. You need to thread the needle for the balance of this season and maybe next year (by taking back a bad 4-5 million contract that had a year or 2 remaining) for some, but otherwise virtually any team in the league can fit Jones financially without retention with the cap goign up 10ish per year.

I think something like Hemming and a '26 1st and Dumba is getting in the range of fair value for full boat Jones and maybe the Stars '25 2nd going back to them. Bourque is already 23 so closing in on what he is as a finished product and 5'10 is the size and shape we have an overabundance of already internally. I just don't think Wirtz is going to be paying 23.75 million (retaining half on Jones) to buy late 1st round picks of Maverick Bourque level players while giving Jones away. Jones at 4.75 per for 5 more years is an all out bidding war (from I assume a dozen or so teams you could get him to agree to a trade) that is getting you an A level prospect and/or multiple 1sts

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Sounds like Matthew Tkachuk’s injury is pretty serious. If it keeps him out until the playoffs, that’s a 9.5 million dollar hole that Jones can fill.

 

[Drumman44]

I don't think the retention amount matters too much. It's just the tying up the slot long term which is the painful part.

 

[GIADF]

Sounds like Matthew Tkachuk’s injury is pretty serious. If it keeps him out until the playoffs, that’s a 9.5 million dollar hole that Jones can fill.

I didn't even consider that, but yeah, LTIR certainly seems likely for him. Let Jones be the big cap hit replacement and send Donato with him to replace Tkachuk's spot as a forward.

Then Ekblad's contract expires after this season so between that and the cap increase, they have more than enough space to make it work.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Yeah this shit is happening.

 

[Muffinalt]

Yeah this shit is happening.

Lol. Poor Jonesy, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[u2wojo]

Yeah this shit is happening.

Excellent....that seems like Jones has been ground down enough that he should be open to multiple teams instead the shit he pulled on Columbus boxing them into trade with either Dallas or Chicago. You can make an arguement for half the league based on his criterea....easily a dozen. Hopefully he is willing to look at a few Canadian teams too.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

If we are able to trade Jones without any retention, I'm either going to drink in celebration at a huge coup pulled by Davidson or drink in despair over what else we had to trade away or garbage we had to pick up to do that.

Honestly no clue what to expect retention-wise as being a fair option. My hunch is at least $2m per bare minimim. And I'm expecting more if we get anything of value in return. Our hope is that this is a Campbell trade where our main pickup is the cap space.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Yeah this shit is happening.

Been waiting since July 24, 2021 for this

 

[BLKHKhockey]

Is this a situation where the return and retention is going to be heavily determined by how many and which teams Jones would be willing to waive for?

We don’t have to trade him, but he’s close to being a depreciating asset.

 

[CanadianHawks]

If we are able to trade Jones without any retention, I'm either going to drink in celebration at a huge coup pulled by Davidson or drink in despair over what else we had to trade away or garbage we had to pick up to do that.

Honestly no clue what to expect retention-wise as being a fair option. My hunch is at least $2m per bare minimim. And I'm expecting more if we get anything of value in return. Our hope is that this is a Campbell trade where our main pickup is the cap space.

2-2.5 million is the number I have in my head

I really wonder about the Cats with that injury to Tkachuk. They likely play the LTIR game. Zito connection with Jones from CBJ and the East is there for the taking if they can replace Montour on the 2nd pair RHD

 

[Mrfenn92]

Retain half send him to Washington for Ryan Leonard. Please

 

[LavalPhantom]

Retain half send him to Washington for Ryan Leonard. Please

Doubt they would do it, but I really wouldn’t mind retaining a serious amount if we get that valuable of a return.

I’m fine with different scenarios:

- No retaining but no real return other than cap space.

- Retaining 2M and getting a late 1st or decent prospect back.

- Retaining half and getting back a very valuable asset.

I think KD needs to be open minded to all these options.

 

[u2wojo]

Is this a situation where the return and retention is going to be heavily determined by how many and which teams Jones would be willing to waive for?

We don’t have to trade him, but he’s close to being a depreciating asset.

I just don't see a depreciating asset. If anything, with the cap expected to go up 30 million per team within 2 years and a few months, he is creeping toward an appreciating asset (or no worse than a neutral one).

He has been getting paid top 10 RHD in the league money and is more of a 2nd 10 best RHD in ability and actual play. 30 million in spare cap will have GM's throwing money around the next few Summers will have Jones pay much more in line with what he actually is in the market.

What would Jones get as a UFA on a 5 year deal this Summer (with all teams having an extra 10 million in cap)? Next 2 Summers of RHD UFA's is Pionk and Ekblad and nothing else but older guys like Carlson, Karlsson, or Burns as far as guys that are remotely close to even 22 minute a game guys. Watch what Ekblad and Pionk get this Summer....I expect to be shocked. If you want a top of the lineup 1st pairing RHD (even just a good and not necessarily great one) you better be developing one internally or prepared to pay 9-10 million.

 

[Chelios]

One thought that occurred to me is the possibility of retaining on Jones to get a decent return that could then be flipped for Cozens. Basically turning the cap space we currently have committed to Jones into a young C instead.

 

[u2wojo]

Doubt they would do it, but I really wouldn’t mind retaining a serious amount if we get that valuable of a return.

I’m fine with different scenarios:

- No retaining but no real return other than cap space.

- Retaining 2M and getting a late 1st or decent prospect back.

- Retaining half and getting back a very valuable asset.

I think KD needs to be open minded to all these options.

The teams that Jones will waive his NMC and that will want him for a playoff run(s) are dealing in the currency of late 1st round picks. Jones unretained with taking back a short term dump (like Dumba or Manson) to make the money work for this and next year is getting a late first minimum. Look at what pending UFA Hanifin got back from Vegas last deadline....'25 1st, bottom pairing RHD, and a 3rd. Hanifin ended up signing an extention (8 x 7.35), but he is also the way easier to fill LHD and a step down from Jones in offensive production (despite playing for shitty Hawks offensive teams and less than offensive wagon Columbus). Jones @ 9.5 with a 10 million bump in cap will be like paying Hanifin 7.35 (again a LHD).

I just don't think collectively at fans we fully comprehend what every team having an extra 10 in cap in July, and then another 10, and another 10 over 3 Summers means to player salaries for guys getting a new contract (and how that is going to drive up average salaries) and existing contracts for good players with some term are actually going to be getting more valueable. Jones is going to go from overpaid by 1-2 million to fair value for what he is and even a chance he is a little bit of a discount in another couple of Summers.

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[Kevin Musto]

Retain half send him to Washington for Ryan Leonard. Please

Leonard is untouchable

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The teams that Jones will waive his NMC and that will want him for a playoff run(s) are dealing in the currency of late 1st round picks. Jones unretained with taking back a short term dump (like Dumba or Manson) to make the money work for this and next year is getting a late first minimum. Look at what pending UFA Hanifin got back from Vegas last deadline....'25 1st, bottom pairing RHD, and a 3rd. Hanifin ended up signing an extention (8 x 7.35), but he is also the way easier to fill LHD and a step down from Jones in offensive production (despite playing for shitty Hawks offensive teams and less than offensive wagon Columbus). Jones @ 9.5 with a 10 million bump in cap will be like paying Hanifin 7.35 (again a LHD).

I just don't think collectively at fans we fully comprehend what every team having an extra 10 in cap in July, and then another 10, and another 10 over 3 Summers means to player salaries for guys getting a new contract (and how that is going to drive up average salaries) and existing contracts for good players with some term are actually going to be getting more valueable. Jones is going to go from overpaid by 1-2 million to fair value for what he is and even a chance he is a little bit of a discount in another couple of Summers.

Agree with this. As the cap increases substantially elite dmen will almost certainly be in the 13+M range, which puts SJ reasonably as a not elite but still a legit top pair guy.

 

[scorehawks]

Leonard is untouchable

Washington has some other very nice prospects.

 

[Kevin Musto]

The fact that they even consider Canadian teams makes this article ass

 

[BHawk21]

The fact that they even consider Canadian teams makes this article ass

Thinking he would go to Calgary is nuts.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Washington has some other very nice prospects.

The GOAT Andrew Cristall is also untouchable

Chesley and Mateiko could be more realistic targets

 

[u2wojo]

Leonard is untouchable

Agree....I would guess they are looking at him as the pass the torch from Ovie guy.

Caps are a team that has need (especially if they want to take a run again in the twilight of Ovie/Carlson over the next few seasons), and enough interesting pieces that there is a deal to be made. Matt Roy, TVR, and McIIrath are their RHD, they have all their picks and some interesting prospects beyond Leonard and Christall and have lots of money coming off the cap for next year (Oshie and Backstrom are almost 15 million alone).

Jones + Donato for the '25 1st (gonna be late) one of Miroshinichenko/Parascak/Protus (the little brother)/or maybe even Lapierre + TVR (or an expiring LTIR deal) to make the cap work. I would also condsider an expanded deal where we swap a LHD prospect (maybe Kaiser) for another of the forward prospects. Caps are thin at LHD prospects (beyond Hutson's brother), we have more than there are NHL spots for, and they are pretty deep at forward prospects.