Jonathan Lekkerimaki - Arrived in Abbotsford

[LemonSauceD]

gotta keep the kid away from the airshow for sure

LOL

 

[RobertKron]

Was this just for 2021? Also what variables did they use? If it’s just for prospects then that’s a whole different discussion. Not really the best metric to use when measuring the entire skill level of the league.

there’s also a significant amount of 17-20 year olds that play in the KHL/SHL/Liiga/Czech than the AHL. Every team has at least 2-3 U20’ers playing for them. I’m going to go ahead and assume that graph took U22’s of all of those leagues and averaged out the NHLe among them.

that graph also doesn’t account for whether the league is a higher scoring league or not.

You can definitely make a case that the SHL more or less is about the same or better than the AHL. However going with this graph, I have a hard time believing the Czech league is better than the SHL and the Liiga (with the recent 15 team expansion that has diluted talent considerably) and the NLA (high offense no defense league) is better than the AHL. Especially when you consider many AHL’ers go over to these leagues and produce considerably more.

Love the idea that Peter Mueller is like a 70 point NHL player.

 

[VanJack]

Checking the SHL scoring leaders; and some of the team rosters in the SHL, it looks to me like they have a lot more older pros playing than in the AHL--which is still basically a development league dotted by 21-24 year olds.

And guys seem to play longer in that league, well into their late 20's and even early 30's. And there's a broad range of guys who actually played a few seasons in the NHL; and an even higher number who split time between the NHL and AHL.

So it makes the performances of kids like Elias Pettersson, Linus Karlsson and Jonathan Lekkerimaki pretty impressive, playing against much older players in the SHL.

The biggest adjustment for Lekerimakki will be the smaller ice. But just not convinced that the level of competition between the SHL and AHL will be an issue at all.

 

[RobertKron]

Wait are those 2021 Czech numbers (and presumably the other euro leagues as well) just because some NHLers went over there and definitely certainly played 100% totally balls to the wall while waiting for the NHL to start back up, and then came back and played for keeps in the NHL afterward?

Edit: The Dobber NHLe calculator shows them at like .46 and below the AHL. If that's the case, why is OP presenting 2021 numbers to talk about 2024?

 

[strattonius]

Per 2021's NHLe, the SHL is a stronger league than the AHL:

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That said, the smaller ice is going to be an adjustment for Lekkerimaki. Quicker decision making required.

Zero chance this graph accurately represents the difficulty and strength of these leagues.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Was this just for 2021? Also what variables did they use? If it’s just for prospects then that’s a whole different discussion. Not really the best metric to use when measuring the entire skill level of the league.

there’s also a significant amount of 17-20 year olds that play in the KHL/SHL/Liiga/Czech than the AHL. Every team has at least 2-3 U20’ers playing for them. I’m going to go ahead and assume that graph took U22’s of all of those leagues and averaged out the NHLe among them.

that graph also doesn’t account for whether the league is a higher scoring league or not.

You can definitely make a case that the SHL more or less is about the same or better than the AHL. However going with this graph, I have a hard time believing the Czech league is better than the SHL and the Liiga (with the recent 15 team expansion that has diluted talent considerably) and the NLA (high offense no defense league) is better than the AHL. Especially when you consider many AHL’ers go over to these leagues and produce considerably more.

Here is the framework for that table: NHL Equivalency and Prospect Projection Models: Building the NHL Equivalency Model (Part 2)

There are more current calculators to use, but none of it is supposed to be definitive. It's just a gauge where you can assess relative performance across leagues. You were talking about the relative strength of the AHL/SHL and so I thought it would be beneficial for you.

Wait are those 2021 Czech numbers (and presumably the other euro leagues as well) just because some NHLers went over there and definitely certainly played 100% totally balls to the wall while waiting for the NHL to start back up, and then came back and played for keeps in the NHL afterward?

Edit: The Dobber NHLe calculator shows them at like .46 and below the AHL. If that's the case, why is OP presenting 2021 numbers to talk about 2024?

Because the OP didn't provide all NHLe calculators/conversion in his one post.

Using Lekkerimaki's same point ratio (45 games/31 points) in the AHL and SHL still yields more NHLe production when coming from the SHL than the AHL. They must not have updated their calulator with that 2024 information:

NHLe Calculator - Frozen Tools

NHL Equivalency calculator from dobberhockey.com

frozenpool.dobbersports.com

Zero chance this graph accurately represents the difficulty and strength of these leagues.

Please elaborate.

 

[Vector]

 

[Canucks LB]

Holy shit he’s actually playing, what’s the best way to watch?

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Do we have a goon? If so make sure they beat the living pulp of any jobber on Colorado that even sneezes in JLs direction.. Just take a 5 minute major if needed to send a message to all the idiots running around in the AHL trying to end a promising career in the hopes that some dinosaur gm will be impressed. Guaranteed that some tool in the AHL is going to try a cheap shot. I'm so glad Petey and Hughes didn't have to deal with the scrubs down there.

 

[strattonius]

Please elaborate.

It has the AHL ranked 7th.

7th.....is that a joke? The AHL has more NHL ready players than all the other leagues combined.

The AHL has by far the most difficult schedule, travel and physicality compared to Euro elite leagues. Many players will be called up/sent down throughout the year seeing NHL action. None of these other leagues could provide that level of depth and skill to support an NHL team.

The list goes.

NHL

KHL
AHL



SHL
Others.

 

[Hodgy]

Any streams?

 

[Canucks LB]

Any streams?

I think you have to buy it for like eight bucks, or 20 bucks if you want the entire home away games

 

[bandwagonesque]

TheAHL.com is like the website Homer Simpson designs before becoming Mr. X

 

[Bleach Clean]

It has the AHL ranked 7th.

7th.....is that a joke? The AHL has more NHL ready players than all the other leagues combined.

The AHL has by far the most difficult schedule, travel and physicality compared to Euro elite leagues. Many players will be called up/sent down throughout the year seeing NHL action. None of these other leagues could provide that level of depth and skill to support an NHL team.

The list goes.

NHL

KHL
AHL



SHL
Others.

I think there is a non-zero chance that the SHL's NHLe is higher than the AHL's NHLe because the players that are able to convert from the SHL are of a high enough quality to do so. There are less in number, but higher in quality. Your KHL ranking above the AHL, despite the AHL having far better depth, also speaks to this phenomenon.

That said, it is a 2021 conversion chart, so grain of salt. Dobberhockey's NHLe calculator would be a better bet.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

uneventful !st period
1 shot off the rush stick deflects
2 pp shifts were uneventful but had a decent swing and a miss

 

[Jay26]

Assist for Lekkerimaki as the Canucks tie it up! He won a board battle and the puck found its way to Sasson who scored from a tight angle.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

 

[canuckslover10]

Let's say he plays extremely well in these games he's got in the AHL, would it make sense for a call up, especially considering our powerplay is dog water and we need one more top 6 forward. If he is able to we actually become a much stronger contender since we won't have Suter in the top 6 once Lindholm is healthy .

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Per 2021's NHLe, the SHL is a stronger league than the AHL:

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That said, the smaller ice is going to be an adjustment for Lekkerimaki. Quicker decision making required.

I would love to see a tournament between the top teams of the AHL, KHL, SHL and NLA

 

[nucks88]

gotta keep the kid away from the airshow for sure

That and the Castle Fun Park….

 

[RandV]

It has the AHL ranked 7th.

7th.....is that a joke? The AHL has more NHL ready players than all the other leagues combined.

The AHL has by far the most difficult schedule, travel and physicality compared to Euro elite leagues. Many players will be called up/sent down throughout the year seeing NHL action. None of these other leagues could provide that level of depth and skill to support an NHL team.

The list goes.

NHL

KHL
AHL



SHL
Others.

I've always thought it's a difficult comparison to make because the AHL has the primary purpose of being the NHL developmental league, so not only does it have a different focus but it has 32 teams. The SHL in comparison has 14 teams. How do you compare such different size leagues for quality? And it's not necessarily that the SHL with less teams has better depth of competition, since it's made up of primarily Swedish players which is a much smaller population base than the North American focused AHL.

 

[bandwagonesque]

More or less a fluke point considering the angle of the shot and the time he had to get it away, but fluke points come when you're doing everything else right, like winning a board battle.

 

[DFAC]

Call him up to help the PP cowards

 

[Vector]

 

[RobertKron]

I think there is a non-zero chance that the SHL's NHLe is higher than the AHL's NHLe because the players that are able to convert from the SHL are of a high enough quality to do so. There are less in number, but higher in quality. Your KHL ranking above the AHL, despite the AHL having far better depth, also speaks to this phenomenon.

That said, it is a 2021 conversion chart, so grain of salt. Dobberhockey's NHLe calculator would be a better bet.

I think the 2021 numbers for the european leagues are likely inflated in part because of the Covid weirdness that year sending NHLers to stay in shape in Europe.

But also, yes, players who come across from the SHL to the NHL tend to be coming over for a reason, and so you aren't going to have as many instances of the common scenario where an organizational depth guy like a Justin Dowling, Justin Bailey, or Nic Petan who have a significant, defined role and put up points in the AHL gets called up here and there throughout the season to basically just fill in and play 8 minutes.