Value of: Jonathan Drouin

[Beendair Donedat]

Interesting pissing contest so far, made for some entertaining reading.

I’ve bashed Drouin as much as anyone, and he’s deserved every bit of it, this will be a make or break year for him. On the positive side, he finally seems to have chemistry with a Center, and with the Habs additions up front, he should be more insulated, which will allow him better matchups. He’s a lot like Jesse Ventura said about the Ultimate Warrior - a million dollar body and a ten cent head. He has the talent to be an all star, as a Habs fan I hope he’s able to get there.

As far as the Avs go, they are a top young club with all world talent in MacKinnon and Makar. Both players are just a treat to watch. They also added some talent over the off season, and they will be serious contenders for the Cup. Sakic has done a tremendous job as GM.

I’m probably biased, but I think the Habs addressed some glaring needs/holes in their lineup this off season, and should be a very competitive team. They’re deep everywhere, with a nice mix of talent, size, and snarl and a couple young centers who look poised to take the next step. Bergevin has changed the identity of the club and they won’t be physically dominated as they have been in the past. I’m really looking forward to this season for the first time in a long time.

No need to measure dicks here, both teams have made good and bad moves, and have different areas of strength and weakness. Focus on the important things - bashing the Leafs and Bruins at all times haha

 

[Just Linda]

I think the best value Montreal is gonna get for his contract in this Covid world will be when Seattle takes it. Losing him doesn't mean for nothing, it means keeping Tatar perhaps for a couple more seasons.

Drouin put it all together before getting injured this year and again looked good in the playins. I'm not worried about the kid, he'll have a good season for sure.

 

[ole ole]

Interesting pissing contest so far, made for some entertaining reading.

I’ve bashed Drouin as much as anyone, and he’s deserved every bit of it, this will be a make or break year for him. On the positive side, he finally seems to have chemistry with a Center, and with the Habs additions up front, he should be more insulated, which will allow him better matchups. He’s a lot like Jesse Ventura said about the Ultimate Warrior - a million dollar body and a ten cent head. He has the talent to be an all star, as a Habs fan I hope he’s able to get there.

As far as the Avs go, they are a top young club with all world talent in MacKinnon and Makar. Both players are just a treat to watch. They also added some talent over the off season, and they will be serious contenders for the Cup. Sakic has done a tremendous job as GM.

I’m probably biased, but I think the Habs addressed some glaring needs/holes in their lineup this off season, and should be a very competitive team. They’re deep everywhere, with a nice mix of talent, size, and snarl and a couple young centers who look poised to take the next step. Bergevin has changed the identity of the club and they won’t be physically dominated as they have been in the past. I’m really looking forward to this season for the first time in a long time.

No need to measure dicks here, both teams have made good and bad moves, and have different areas of strength and weakness. Focus on the important things - bashing the Leafs and Bruins at all times haha

Great post.

 

[Hockey4Life91]

The Drouin/Sergachev trade was fairly even when it was made, but it had the chance to blow up in MTL’s face. And it has. It looks uglier and uglier every year now.

 

[Gaud]

Keep it realistic please...

Habs looking for a solid two-way LWer or LD...or a good pick

Remember, keep it respectable and realistic

do we still need LD?

 

[Bushfire31]

I remember a time when the leafs were actually cup contenters.

You sound old

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Ya while Burakovsky was putting up 12 goals ,Anderson was putting up 27.
Saad was at least keeping it close with 23.
The great Jost had almost as many 11 as the great Burakovsky 12.
But Anderson was in front.

Josh Anderson has never once in his career scored more points than Saad.

In fact, 26 year old Josh Anderson has only scored more than 30 points once in his career.

If you want to pump up players on the Canadiens I wouldn’t start with Josh Anderson lol.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

The Drouin/Sergachev trade was fairly even when it was made, but it had the chance to blow up in MTL’s face. And it has. It looks uglier and uglier every year now.

The Sergachev for Drouin trade has to be one of the only examples ever of a 1 for 1 trade that created two holes in the lineup lol.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

The Drouin/Sergachev trade was fairly even when it was made, but it had the chance to blow up in MTL’s face. And it has. It looks uglier and uglier every year now.

No, it was not; most Hab fans knew that it was a disaster from the start...to trade the best LD prospect you have when one of the biggest deficiencies on your roster was LD depth was idiotic to say the least; to do it for an enigma like Drouin AND add a conditional 2nd rounder (thank Jebus that Tampa's D was in such a state that they needed Sergachev to play 40+ games and therefore exceed the conditions, negating the 2nd Rounder) was truly mind-boggling...we all know why it happened, so no sense bringing that war of words between Hab fans, but it was never a "fairly even" trade...

 

[Hockey4Life91]

No, it was not; most Hab fans knew that it was a disaster from the start...to trade the best LD prospect you have when one of the biggest deficiencies on your roster was LD depth was idiotic to say the least; to do it for an enigma like Drouin AND add a conditional 2nd rounder (thank Jebus that Tampa's D was in such a state that they needed Sergachev to play 40+ games and therefore exceed the conditions, negating the 2nd Rounder) was truly mind-boggling...we all know why it happened, so no sense bringing that war of words between Hab fans, but it was never a "fairly even" trade...

I respectfully disagree, and I vividly recall it differently.

Sergachev had unlimited potential. But he had not yet cracked an NHL roster (yes, he was only 18-19 at the same). Drouin, on the other hand, had a full NHL season under this belt and he was one of Tampa's best players in their run to the 2016 ECF. Drouin looked poised to live up to his potential. On the day of the trade, many Tampa fans were disappointed. But we quickly recognized Sergachev's potential and, more importantly, that Point was a superstar in the making, rendering Drouin expendable. Of course there were pros and cons on both sides, and various people had views on opposite ends of the spectrum regarding the trade. Objectively, though, the aggregate opinion was as I described it: a fairly even trade at the moment it was made. It, however, had the potential to work out very badly for MTL given Sergachev's upside and unique blend of traits, along with Drouin's notorious attitude problems and weak defensive game.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Interesting pissing contest so far, made for some entertaining reading.

I’ve bashed Drouin as much as anyone, and he’s deserved every bit of it, this will be a make or break year for him. On the positive side, he finally seems to have chemistry with a Center, and with the Habs additions up front, he should be more insulated, which will allow him better matchups. He’s a lot like Jesse Ventura said about the Ultimate Warrior - a million dollar body and a ten cent head. He has the talent to be an all star, as a Habs fan I hope he’s able to get there.

As far as the Avs go, they are a top young club with all world talent in MacKinnon and Makar. Both players are just a treat to watch. They also added some talent over the off season, and they will be serious contenders for the Cup. Sakic has done a tremendous job as GM.

I’m probably biased, but I think the Habs addressed some glaring needs/holes in their lineup this off season, and should be a very competitive team. They’re deep everywhere, with a nice mix of talent, size, and snarl and a couple young centers who look poised to take the next step. Bergevin has changed the identity of the club and they won’t be physically dominated as they have been in the past. I’m really looking forward to this season for the first time in a long time.

No need to measure dicks here, both teams have made good and bad moves, and have different areas of strength and weakness. Focus on the important things - bashing the Leafs and Bruins at all times haha

If you go back to MTL's postseason who is the veteran player that stood out (i.e. not talking KK and Suzuki). And the most common answer is Drouin and its the wrong answer. The player who stood out from an improvement point of view was Armia. Armia was generating shots off the post in game 3 v Flyers. Armia game 5 was leading his line and got moved up when KK got ejected. Armia was winning the 1 on 2 battle so that Drouin was given the room to make the pretty pass. Berge saw this too and why the power forwards in Anderson and Toffoli were added. If Anderson down low can generate attention and can win battles in the corners, then you can hope Drouin will be given more room to operate. Personally I wouldn't have given Anderson the long term deal but I get what Berge is thinking. 5x5 Drouin can't generate enough room on his own to be effective. But with a star center and legit pw garnering attention maybe Drouin as the 3rd player on a line can do something.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I respectfully disagree, and I vividly recall it differently.

Sergachev had unlimited potential. But he had not yet cracked an NHL roster (yes, he was only 18-19 at the same). Drouin, on the other hand, had a full NHL season under this belt and he was one of Tampa's best players in their run to the 2016 ECF. Drouin looked poised to live up to his potential. On the day of the trade, many Tampa fans were disappointed. But we quickly recognized Sergachev's potential and, more importantly, that Point was a superstar in the making, rendering Drouin expendable. Of course there were pros and cons on both sides, and various people had views on opposite ends of the spectrum regarding the trade. Objectively, though, the aggregate opinion was as I described it: a fairly even trade at the moment it was made. It, however, had the potential to work out very badly for MTL given Sergachev's upside and unique blend of traits, along with Drouin's notorious attitude problems and weak defensive game.

...while I don't recall anyone in the Hockey World calling this a "fairly even trade", I also admit to being a bit biased, as I was furious when the deal was made...I've been watching Drouin since he was a teenager with the Halifax Mooseheads (my local QMJHL team) and, from the moment I first saw him play live, all I ever saw was an extremely talented floater with all the tools and not even an attempt to find his toolbox...my opinion of him hasn't changed in almost a decade and neither has his game; he's Alexei Kovalev-ultra light...always has been and, unfortunately, probably always will be...

 

[Whitsmith803]

Three way trade that would make sense for all three teams
MTL 7.3 Cap hit
Bozak (5m) 1 year left
Sanford (1.5)
Olli Juolevi (800k)
Potential second-pairing, secondary offensive defender

Blues 8 Cap hit
Drouin (5.5)
Jake Virtanen (2.5)

Vancouver 5.6 Cap Hit
Vince Dunn RFA (4m)
Klim Kostin (800k)
Power forward with top-six upside
Noah Juulsen (800k)
Poised mobile defender with top-four upside

 

[goonybird]

he's just not that into you hockey

 

[DaPhazz]

At this stage, with his contract, if no one was willing to pick up someone like Tyler Johnson (who is still vastly better than Drouin) for free, his value is negative.

Man, you tried to stir the pot there, crazy talk. Get out now.

 

[DaPhazz]

Drouin will be out of the league by 2025. Great skills but just a brutal NHLer

You have no clue. Next.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Drouin is the most mediocre player in the league. He kinda sucks but doesn't totally suck, if you know what i mean. I think his pedigree of a big time junior player, 3rd overall pick and his physical skill give him a bad reputation because people are simply expecting a player that really isn't him. he's obviously never gonna be the focal point or big gamebreaker of an offense.

if he was a 2nd round pick and making 3-4 ish million dollars, he wouldn't get the hate he does.

despite being able to rack up 50-ish points over a full season, i don't think he makes most teams better, like at all. Combine that with a 5.5M cap hit for the next 3 years, i would want nothing to do with him as a potential buyer.

 

[DaPhazz]

Drouin is the most mediocre player in the league. He kinda sucks but doesn't totally suck, if you know what i mean. I think his pedigree of a big time junior player, 3rd overall pick and his physical skill give him a bad reputation because people are simply expecting a player that really isn't him. he's obviously never gonna be the focal point or big gamebreaker of an offense.

if he was a 2nd round pick and making 3-4 ish million dollars, he wouldn't get the hate he does.

despite being able to rack up 50-ish points over a full season, i don't think he makes most teams better, like at all. Combine that with a 5.5M cap hit for the next 3 years, i would want nothing to do with him as a potential buyer.

Well, he was exactly that before being injured this season. Next.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Well, he was exactly that before being injured this season. Next.

actually you probably right. he's a stud and finally broke out in 27 games last year. Habs should extend him for 7-8 years.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The Drouin/Sergachev trade was fairly even when it was made, but it had the chance to blow up in MTL’s face. And it has. It looks uglier and uglier every year now.

No it wasn't.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Confirmed Trade: - [MTL/TBL] Jonathan Drouin + cond. 2018 6th for Mikhail Sergachev + cond. 2018 2nd

I also vividly recall most fans thinking at the time that Montreal won the deal. Only 2 pages of reading so far, but that seems to be the case. Though most won't admit it now.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

You have no clue. Next.

Just you watch. At best, he will follow a Bobby Ryan-esque trajectory.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Confirmed Trade: - [MTL/TBL] Jonathan Drouin + cond. 2018 6th for Mikhail Sergachev + cond. 2018 2nd

I also vividly recall most fans thinking at the time that Montreal won the deal. Only 2 pages of reading so far, but that seems to be the case. Though most won't admit it now.

...so a thread here proves that most hockey minds liked this deal for Montreal?...should we look for the threads where Habs fans here vigorously defended Jiri Sekac, or where Leaf fans here defended Jeff Finger's deal and so on...c'mon, no strawman please...

 

[Kraken Jokes]

...so a thread here proves that most hockey minds liked this deal for Montreal?...should we look for the threads where Habs fans here vigorously defended Jiri Sekac, or where Leaf fans here defended Jeff Finger's deal and so on...c'mon, no strawman please...

It's not a strawman. You said most Habs fans knew it was a bad trade from the start. I linked THE trade trade thread from this rather popular forum for hockey fans showing that's not the case. Fans were also wrong Sekac and Finger? Not sure if that helps your argument. I never said they were right.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It's not a strawman. You said most Habs fans knew it was a bad trade from the start. I linked THE trade trade thread from this rather popular forum for hockey fans showing that's not the case. Fans were also wrong Sekac and Finger? Not sure if that helps your argument. I never said they were right.

Ok, you know what a Homer fan is...you also know how this place works, especially when it comes to "defending" your team...but I apologize, I should have used the term most knowledgeable Habs fans...my mistake...