Value of: Jonatan Berggren

[HuGort]

Has 34 points in 79 NHL games under 22. Habs maybe interested. With 48 PIM in 43 games he must have bit of edge to him

 

[The Red Line]

Except he's waiver eligible and not many teams are going to play him in the top 6 right now, including the team that has him. This means that he's going to have to establish himself in a bottom 6 role.. thus the "his coach is playing Austin Czarnik over him" is relevant.

A bottom team like SJ or ANA or CHI might be interested but don't see teams like that preferring to deal a prospect instead of a player or pick (which is the OP's preference). At least not legitimate prospects. He's similar to a guy like Fagemo this past year and to a lesser extent, Tolvanen last year. If he can't be useful in a bottom 6 for DET they'll waive him. Someone will pick him up and we'll see what happens.

I can see teams hoping to jump the waiver line and offering. a pick for him, but that's about it... though I completely understand why DET would just hang onto him and give him a real shot next year if there are spots up for grabs.

He has one game left of being waiver exempt which is a big reason he isn't playing. Also he plays wing and Czarnik plays center.

 

[StreetHawk]

I could see someone like Toronto or Tampa be interested, because they will need a middle 6 CHEAP forward in the coming years. Just don't know what they have to offer in return. I'd be looking at a team that needs a cheaper solution at the middle 6 forward position and wanting to offload a guy who might be due a raise that they can't afford, but Detroit could.

Someone like Nicolas Hague or Brett Howden with Vegas.

Depends on whether you have enough guys who can handle the defensive assignments and PK duties. Can he handle them as well?

 

[letsgowings9999]

If we can trade him in a package with our 1st+ I'm all for it if we
can land another legit top end center.

For other teams wondering he's as skilled as Fabbri or Sprong, if not more. Issue is his physical and defensive work is Sprong level or just a bit worse.

Another top 6 center ?? Isnt that why we got compher ?? To hold the spot until 2 top 10 picks danielson and kasper come up??

Much rather target a power forward . This team is too pussafied

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Id do it…. But still don’t know where he’d fit lol

Slot him next to Carlsson?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Currently the coach of the Wings (they are in a race for the playoffs) prefers to play AUSTIN CZARNIK rather than Bergreen, which says a lot...

It shows Lalonde is kind of an idiot yes, which is getting to be the pretty common thought among most wings fans

 

[norrisnick]

Berggren is an offensive player and Czarnik is a defensive player. The Wings issue isn't offense this season, it is defense.

Czarnik isn't an defensive player. He's just a center. Being on the 4th line with Veleno gives them a right-handed and left-handed option for faceoffs should they get stuck in a matchup situation.

 

[PettersonHughes]

From an outside perspective, his skillset may be viewed as redundant with other smallish but better skilled wingers (DeBrincat, Raymond, Kane) already in the lineup? Then again if he's skilled enough and not forced into a grinding role I think he'd do well, and if we didn't have Hoglander already I would've liked to throw a 3rd to get him.

 

[biturbo19]

One of those prospects/player tweeners who is just worth more to the team that has them.

Nobody is gonna give up what he's worth to the team if he figures it out.


Swap of similar on the fringe prospects at best.

 

[Hobnobs]

Berggren is an offensive player and Czarnik is a defensive player. The Wings issue isn't offense this season, it is defense.

Czarnik is a fore checker not a defensive player.

 

[Dotter]

Depends on whether you have enough guys who can handle the defensive assignments and PK duties. Can he handle them as well?

He has high IQ plus loads of talent, an absolute beast in the offensive zone - amazing vision with a great tool box. He is soft in the defensive zone. A bit frustrating.

He could be a phenomenal player if he applied himself in the D-zone as much as he does in the O-zone. If he did that, this trade thread wouldn't exist.

 

[izlez]

He has high IQ plus loads of talent, an absolute beast in the offensive zone - amazing vision with a great tool box. He is soft in the defensive zone. A bit frustrating.

He could be a phenomenal player if he applied himself in the D-zone as much as he does in the O-zone. If he did that, this trade thread wouldn't exist.

Well that sure is some strong language

 

[Ezekial]

Czarnik is a fore checker not a defesive player.

That is true, and Berggren is very much not a forechecker.

Berggren will be up next year, we won't keep 2 of Sprong Perron and Kane

 

[Dotter]

Well that sure is some strong language

I get to watch him in the AHL. He's always driving the play in the offensive zone. He was on a nice point streak in Detroit before being sent down in December. 5 points in 8 games; he makes things happen! Those weren't "lucky" points.... those points were a direct result from his skill and vision.

He leaves a lot to be desired in the d-zone. And he's soft.

 

[biturbo19]

I get to watch him in the AHL. He's always driving the play in the offensive zone. He was on a nice point streak in Detroit before being sent down in December. 5 points in 8 games; he makes things happen! Those weren't "lucky" points.... those points were a direct result from his skill and vision.

He leaves a lot to be desired in the d-zone. And he's soft.

Feels like he's just drifting toward a Sven Baertschi type trajectory. Without quite the draft pedigree.


Might be one of those guys who needs the wakeup call of a trade to focus more on rounding out his game, competing a little bit harder, and paying attention to his own end. Tough sort of player to trade for value though, because of that. If he doesn't jolt awake on those weaknesses, he's just a dime a dozen skilled "tweener" who doesn't do much for anyone. If he does...there's potential there. But how much do you really spend on that gamble?

Definitely feels like a change of scenery "swap for a similar but different prospect" candidate. Though i could also see Detroit wisely just hanging onto him and giving him an opportunity full time next year. If he figures it out...great! If not...you aren't necessarily burning huge irrecoverable value either. Might even still be able to recoup something small as a reclamation project.

 

[Holden Caufield]

A team would be very smart to come along and buy low on Berggren right now.

 

[LarKing]

If we give away a good young player for peanuts after less than a full season's worth of games while regularly playing players like Perron I'm going to lose my shit

A team would be very smart to come along and buy low on Berggren right now.

I'd easily move a first for him. He's got career second liner written all over him to me. He hasn't gotten a real chance here and even then the production was there

 

[norrisnick]

Having watched all of them coming up, he's right there in hockey ability as Hudler, Tatar, Nyquist. He can easily slot into a top 6/PP role and contribute.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I think Sprong walks this offseason and Berggren probably just takes his spot

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Didn't intend to revive a discussion from a few months ago - and if there is a better place for this post hopefully one of the MODS can move it.

But was just looking through the RFA's. Seems like there a bunch of players who are obviously re-signing with their teams (Lucas Raymond, Dawson Mercer, Seth Jarvis, etc) but a player like Berggren or Buffalo's Peyton Krebs are a bit tougher to project.

Is Berggren likely to return or is he more likely headed elsewhere?

 

[abj]

Berggren are mediocre.

Sell Berggren.

Why not SHL?

 

[norrisnick]

Didn't intend to revive a discussion from a few months ago - and if there is a better place for this post hopefully one of the MODS can move it.

But was just looking through the RFA's. Seems like there a bunch of players who are obviously re-signing with their teams (Lucas Raymond, Dawson Mercer, Seth Jarvis, etc) but a player like Berggren or Buffalo's Peyton Krebs are a bit tougher to project.

Is Berggren likely to return or is he more likely headed elsewhere?

Berggren's trade value doesn't come anywhere close to matching his on-ice abilities and subsequent worth to a team. He'll sign and stay put barring something wild happening during training camp.

 

[The Red Line]

He’ll be signed to a one year deal. Still a good chance of trading him during the season but he doesn’t have much trade value now and still has some good potential on the ice. They’ll keep him and he will either work out and that’s great, or up his value enough for a decent trade, and if he doesn’t work out he’ll be either waved at some point or not re-signed next year.

 

[abj]

and if he doesn’t work out he’ll be either waved at some point or not re-signed next year

Detroit is selling Berggren this year. Berggren had not ability to produce points.