Jon Cooper

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He will be 57 when he begins his 13th(!) season with the Lightning. Now, let's suppose he oversees one more team (for the sake of discussion, a legit contender) before calling it a career. Where would he rank all-time among coaches?

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[Nineteen67]

Pretty good. If he wins the four nations and an Olympic gold he’ll be legendary.

 

[JianYang]

When it comes to coaches, I think longevity and total wins are a couple categories that people look to in order to shape their perception over the long haul.

Cooper currently sits 44th in all time wins and 27th in games coached.

He's still needs to write a few more chapters to get build up his resume in that top tier of coaching greats (perception wise).

One thing I will say about Cooper though is that he is an example of how the way we look at voting for Jack adams is flawed. When it's basically an award given to the guy who happens to be there for a big turnaround, it ignores good coaches who happen to coach good teams.

 

[the_fan]

Technically he can coach for another 30 years if he wanted to

 

[DFC]

When it comes to coaches, I think longevity and total wins are a couple categories that people look to in order to shape their perception over the long haul.

Cooper currently sits 44th in all time wins and 27th in games coached.

He's still needs to write a few more chapters to get build up his resume in that top tier of coaching greats (perception wise).

One thing I will say about Cooper though is that he is an example of how the way we look at voting for Jack adams is flawed. When it's basically an award given to the guy who happens to be there for a big turnaround, it ignores good coaches who happen to coach good teams.

Yeah the actual best coaches in the league are often overlooked unless they are in a new situation. Maybe they should think about letting the coaches vote on that one rather than the writers. Writers always want narrative.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Technically he can coach for another 30 years if he wanted to

Imagine him at 87 years old still coaching lol. Nah, not gonna happen. But at least 15 more is possible.

 

[12ozPapa]

Love Cooper. I recall a comment he made years ago talking about how a huge prt of coaching is being a people a manager. It was refreshing.

 

[LevelingSolo]

I wonder if he coaches only the Lightning for his entire career. Not many coaches in pro sports have ever done that

 

[JianYang]

Yeah the actual best coaches in the league are often overlooked unless they are in a new situation. Maybe they should think about letting the coaches vote on that one rather than the writers. Writers always want narrative.

I dont think the writers should be voting on any player/coach awards if I'm being honest.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I wonder if he coaches only the Lightning for his entire career. Not many coaches in pro sports have ever done that

Yeah, a person pretty much has to coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers for that to happen. Three head coaches in the past 55 years.

 

[JoVel]

He will leave the Lightning in a few years when they'll go on a full rebuild.

By the way I did not think he was that old. Would've guessed around 50.

 

[Hobnobs]

When it comes to coaches, I think longevity and total wins are a couple categories that people look to in order to shape their perception over the long haul.

Cooper currently sits 44th in all time wins and 27th in games coached.

He's still needs to write a few more chapters to get build up his resume in that top tier of coaching greats (perception wise).

One thing I will say about Cooper though is that he is an example of how the way we look at voting for Jack adams is flawed. When it's basically an award given to the guy who happens to be there for a big turnaround, it ignores good coaches who happen to coach good teams.

Case in point. Bowman only has two while having 9 cups and one canada cup.

I also agree that Cooper probably need a few more seasons at the top to start making his way into the best of the best discussions.

Yeah the actual best coaches in the league are often overlooked unless they are in a new situation. Maybe they should think about letting the coaches vote on that one rather than the writers. Writers always want narrative.

They should let GMs vote on it. The people who actually evaluate the coaching staff around the league.

 

[Rcknrollkillnmachine]

When Monty goes I want Coop to coach the Bruins.

 

[ES]

I think rather than changing voters, I think Jack Adams voting deadline should be changed. The best GM is voted after top four teams are known, it would make sense to have the same for coaches.

 

[CaptBrannigan]

I believe he’s won the title at every level he’s coached, which is a neat little footnote.

 

[Chainshot]

When it comes to coaches, I think longevity and total wins are a couple categories that people look to in order to shape their perception over the long haul.

Cooper currently sits 44th in all time wins and 27th in games coached.

He's still needs to write a few more chapters to get build up his resume in that top tier of coaching greats (perception wise).

One thing I will say about Cooper though is that he is an example of how the way we look at voting for Jack adams is flawed. When it's basically an award given to the guy who happens to be there for a big turnaround, it ignores good coaches who happen to coach good teams.

I recall a couple of coaches mentioning how Jack Adams voting and a hot goalie often go hand in hand.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

When it comes to coaches, I think longevity and total wins are a couple categories that people look to in order to shape their perception over the long haul.

Cooper currently sits 44th in all time wins and 27th in games coached.

He's still needs to write a few more chapters to get build up his resume in that top tier of coaching greats (perception wise).

One thing I will say about Cooper though is that he is an example of how the way we look at voting for Jack adams is flawed. When it's basically an award given to the guy who happens to be there for a big turnaround, it ignores good coaches who happen to coach good teams.

“Substitution bias” as psychologist Daniel Kahneman calls it. It’s impossible to realistically have any legitimate outside perspective as to who “the best” coach is, so voters instead go off of “which team played the furthest above where they were expected to play?”

It’s why a lot of these awards are very silly. A guy is considered the best coach in the best hockey league in the world one year and then he’s fired the very next season. Perhaps the team just beat expectations in spite of said coach.

Truth is it’s incredibly difficult to tell how “good” of a coach Cooper really is. He was considered a choker for years because his very good roster couldn’t advance. Then, when they finally won, he suddenly transitioned to “league’s best coach”.

If we’re being realistic, we’re all just throwing shit at the wall.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

This comment

but with this guys voice

 

[Jared Dunn]

Imagine him at 87 years old still coaching lol. Nah, not gonna happen. But at least 15 more is possible.

It's not stopping politicians why let it stop coaches!

 

[Voight]

Playoff-wise not many coaches have made it to four finals, or won two cups or won back to back. Hes already in rarified air.

He should add a Gold Medal in 2 years time as well.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Get back to me when his team wins a Cup or two during a normal season. Won what was basically am odd summer tournament in 2020 and won against a very mediocre Montreal team during the COVID season in which the conferences were jacked up. Otherwise he has lost twice in the SCF and/or not made it that far. All that stud talent and two Cups with asterisks beside them. Certainly an above average coach. Nothing more.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Get back to me when his team wins a Cup or two during a normal season. Won what was basically am odd summer tournament in 2020 and won against a very mediocre Montreal team during the COVID season in which the conferences were jacked up. Otherwise he has lost twice in the SCF and/or not made it that far. All that stud talent and two Cups with asterisks beside them. Certainly an above average coach. Nothing more.

Oh man, this weak take again (no offense). If it’s so easy why didn’t the other 30 teams (and coaches) win your “summer tournament”?

Players said afterwards that it was the toughest playoffs because of life in the bubble without contact to their family and friends, cabin fever, constant testing, no fans, no atmosphere, fear of getting the virus, etc.

Maybe all this speaks even more for Cooper that he got his team over the finish line despite the circumstances. And then again not even a year later.

 

[NVious]

It's hard to rank a coach who had so much talent, Tampa has 4 HOF locks and Point is already nearing borderline

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The bloke's entire legacy is propped up with the abuse of LTIR.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

I hate the guy, but I would love for him to coach my Leafs at some point.