Player Discussion John Tortorella vs Alain Vigneault

[Filthy Dangles]

Interested in how others feel about this. Who was/is the better head coach for the Rangers?

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[Gardner McKay]

I liked Torts more. AV is the superior coach.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I liked Torts more. AV is the superior coach.

AV also can't win it all as of yet. Not sure I go with AV being the superior coach.

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

I liked Torts more. AV is the superior coach.

Well said. I agree with this.

 

[Machinehead]

Tom Renney

 

[Machinehead]

Also, AV is smarter but that's exactly what's wrong with AV.

He thinks he's the smartest hockey mind to ever coach a game and he'll keep tossing it up against the wall even when he's dead wrong.

 

[silverfish]

I'd really prefer a neither option.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'd like a both option, if you look around at most of the league. But I think Torts is helped by being in a smaller media market, especially after the Vancouver/team USA disasters.

 

[Open Mind]

Can't really answer this other than to say Renney to Torts to AV worked out like the right guy at the right time, and that each former guy played an important role in moving the organization in the right direction and their times kind of came to move on. I appreciate all three.

 

[Chaels Arms]

AV by far. While AV has his problems, Torts' nonsense was far more frustrating.

AV gets the edge just for realizing that it's actually a smart thing to have players on their off-side on the PP which is something Torts could never understand during his time with this team.

 

[Crease]

After Campbell, Muckler, Low, Trottier, and Sather, it'll take a lot for me to diss a coach.

Renney, Torts, and AV have all been great.

 

[Nickmo82]

I prefer Torts I guess... but they both have glaring issues with their coaching. Both are guilty of playing favourites and misusing players at times. That said, the team plays much more entertaining hockey under AV. He got lucky in that he inherited this team when they were contenders (IIRC), but he's still got us closer than anyone since '94.

 

[Fitzy]

It's tough because in my eyes AV had the superior teams in terms of talent up and down the roster.

Torts was Gaborik and spare parts. Girardi-Staal the top pairing, guys like an aging Vinny Prospal and Eric Christensen having to play top line minutes. Find a team Torts had that is anywhere close to these teams the last 3 years for NYR.

Renney had quite possibly the most talented teams since the lockout in 06-07 and 07-08 and did little with them, so he's a far 3rd in my eyes.

 

[Bob Richards]

I like(d) both of them. Warts for sure but each oversaw some of the most fun seasons I've experienced as a fan of this team.

 

[haohmaru]

Between Torts and AV these are two of the best coaches the NYR ever had and are "feeling seriously underappreciated, Al".

 

[Made Dan]

AV also can't win it all as of yet. Not sure I go with AV being the superior coach.

This. I think AV's system is far more suited to success in today's NHL than Tort's. As a motivator/leader? Torts.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Tom Renney

No. Just no.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

This. I think AV's system is far more suited to success in today's NHL than Tort's. As a motivator/leader? Torts.

I mean, CBJ are doing pretty well.

 

[Savant]

Looking forward to the next guy

 

[DanielBrassard]

I like AVs system, not his personnel decisions. Torts was the opposite, so I'll pick AV

 

[Thirty One]

Find a team Torts had that is anywhere close to these teams the last 3 years for NYR.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000482013.html

... that was hard.

 

[Thirty One]

I like AVs system, not his personnel decisions. Torts was the opposite, so I'll pick AV

You liked Torts' personnel decisions?

 

[Calad]

You liked Torts' personnel decisions?

 

[darko]

They are both good in their own ways.

 

[Fitzy]

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000482013.html

... that was hard.

Being an insufferable wiseass rarely is.