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Player Discussion John Gilmour

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nevesis said:
He's slow, most likely the reason.
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Except he's not.

He's a better hockey player than DeAngelo, Gilmour and Pionk. He should ask for a trade because this team evidently doesn't care to give him a chance. He can play in the NHL, and should've been in our lineup all season.

I think it has more to do with Gorton's preference for defensemen, which we see hasn't been working out too well this season.
 
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Graves is 22 turning 23 in May. Gilmour is 24 turning 25 in May, arbitration eligible after the season.

They need to see something from Gilmour before committing another contract from him. Graves has more time before he has to show anything.

Better to get a look at an asset to expire sooner rather than later.
 
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Gilmour is a pending RFA, I'm guessing maybe they want to get a look at him at the NHL level to see if they are going to qualify or offer something higher than the qualifiers.

I edited it because I was wrong and am not afraid to admit it.
 
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Pretty amazing turnaround from being an absolute garbage fire last season into an AHL All Star this year earning his first cup of coffee. Good luck to you, kid.

As far as Graves, yes, I would have liked to give him a shot, but I still have questions about whether he can skate at this level (even in a competent system that isn't obsessed with skating like AV's). There's still time left this year so we'll see.
 
Off Sides said:
Gilmour and Pionk are both pending RFAs, I'm guessing maybe they want to get a look at them at the NHL level to see if they are going to qualify them or offer them something higher than their qualifiers.
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Pionk signed a 2 year deal last summer, he still has 1 left on his contract.
 
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Off Sides said:
Gilmour and Pionk are both pending RFAs, I'm guessing maybe they want to get a look at them at the NHL level to see if they are going to qualify them or offer them something higher than their qualifiers.
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Go Away Staal said:
Pionk can't be, he just signed last spring.
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Pionk signed a 2-year ELC so he has another season to go. Valid point with Gilmour though.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Except he's not.

He's a better hockey player than DeAngelo, Gilmour and Pionk. He should ask for a trade because this team evidently doesn't care to give him a chance. He can play in the NHL, and should've been in our lineup all season.

I think it has more to do with Gorton's preference for defensemen, which we see hasn't been working out too well this season.
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A 6'5" 220lb blue line defenseman is super quick and has the agility as a DeAngelo, or Gilmour? Cmon man, it's clear as day when watching him, he's not that.

I have nothing against Graves, and his shot from the blue line is lethal, but management is moving with the rest of the league to stack up and play a fast game which means the defenseman need to be agile, and puck moving.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Pretty amazing turnaround from being an absolute garbage fire last season into an AHL All Star this year earning his first cup of coffee. Good luck to you, kid.

As far as Graves, yes, I would have liked to give him a shot, but I still have questions about whether he can skate at this level (even in a competent system that isn't obsessed with skating like AV's). There's still time left this year so we'll see.
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It’s still likely a matter of when and not if we see Graves in the NHL this season.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Except he's not.

He's a better hockey player than DeAngelo, Gilmour and Pionk. He should ask for a trade because this team evidently doesn't care to give him a chance. He can play in the NHL, and should've been in our lineup all season.

I think it has more to do with Gorton's preference for defensemen, which we see hasn't been working out too well this season.
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None of these guys are quite there yet, but don’t mistake that with them not being good players. I feel that all 4 basically just need to find the comfort level to be able to play regularly in the NHL. Graves, Pionk, TDA and Gilmour, if any of those 4 played for a team with an opening and got 35 games in the NHL I don’t think either would look back and return to the AHL.

But sure, the comfort level isn’t there yet.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Graves is 22 turning 23 in May. Gilmour is 24 turning 25 in May, arbitration eligible after the season.

They need to see something from Gilmour before committing another contract from him. Graves has more time before he has to show anything.

Better to get a look at an asset to expire sooner rather than later.
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This makes sense to me.
 
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