Joe Rogan - Butchering deer in front of vegan protestors

[beowulf]

"Ethical" farming can't produce meat at nearly the volume or the price at which most people will buy and consume it.

Again it's about moderation, getting people to realize they don't need a bloody steak every day of the week.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Who eats steak every day?

I mean....I would if I could, but it's just not cost-effective, y'know?

 

[VickAshley]

Again it's about moderation, getting people to realize they don't need a bloody steak every day of the week.

Unless you lift then you really don' need much protein/per week and most of the meat consumption is done by fatties who probably should only eat chickens. This is a fact backed by research and data.

 

[HisIceness]

Old news. This is why veganism gets nowhere, the practitioners are often way too militant and just turn a lot of people off with their holier than thou attitude.

Said it before in another thread, vegans would make a lot more friends among non-vegans if they would drop the "Veganism is what is best for you because I know what I am talking about and you are an idiot for not following my lead!" mindset.

Some don't have that attitude and actually inspire people to change their eating ways. Russell Simmons is a good example of this. Too bad more are not like him.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

 

[Mantis]

Hey now, don't pin this solely on Canadians.

It's not as though there aren't swarms of these types south of the border too.

It's true that some seem to have taken up residence here, though. Unfortunate.

Quiet Modo

 

[John Price]

@Tom Hansen

 

[Sol]

Joe Rogan is a sell out.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Quiet Modo

Make me, little man.

Joe Rogan is a sell out.

He can be pretty abrasive.

Wait, maybe that's not the right word.

Loud.

Very ****ing loud.

Dude yells a lot.

 

[Sol]

Make me, little man.



He can be pretty abrasive.

Wait, maybe that's not the right word.

Loud.

Very ****ing loud.

Dude yells a lot.

Dude is a sell out in a sense that a lot of the shit he says contradicts his own views since he got threatened by the CIA.

Plus lol, he's so obnoxious when he's drunk/high he starts getting very aggressive.


Like the podcasts tho

 

[Dr Pepper]

Dude is a sell out in a sense that a lot of the **** he says contradicts his own views since he got threatened by the CIA.

Plus lol, he's so obnoxious when he's drunk/high he starts getting very aggressive.


Like the podcasts tho

He did what now?

 

[Sol]

He did what now?

His friends say that they visited him before in regards to the "conspiracies" he talks about on air. Joe Rogan is crazy deep into conspiracies and had an encounter which is why he contradicts himself a lot on matters.

There's videos from Joe's friends who talk about the encounter and Joe never denied that they talked to him about the stuff he says. Dudes pretty popular

 

[John Price]

Joe used to have a hilarious show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything

 

[General Joseph]

Hitler was a Vegan !

 

[TJ Hooker]

@Tom Hansen

Hello.

 

[Unsustainable]

 

[Unsustainable]

 

[Juzmo]

You don't change a person minds by force, it virtually never works. Look at PETA and the lack of respect people have for them because of their militant ways. Now if you set up booths with factual information about how less animals being raised for food will improve the environment and at said booth maybe have someone cooking good vegan meals that are easy to prepare, then you are more likely to get people to listen and possibly cut back on meat consumption and in time maybe totally stop the use of animal products.

There’s different strategies that work on different people in different ways. Some are more proactive and straightforward (not "forceful") when it comes to trying to influence others with the main focus being on animal rights. At some point it may be a part of what makes people think about certain issues more than booths with info and recipes.

Kinda difficult to say. But also not sure if you, as a person who hasn’t been convinced, know what will convince people the best either, or know if certain methods like protesting in front of establishments* should just be avoided.

*which is a fair bit less than what PETA has done to earn its reputation.

As the owner of Antler says in the video, ethical farming does exist and I look for meats from place like that.

That concept really is a paradox though.
Even when assuming the animals live good lives and are treated in an ethical way, then unnecessarily slaughtering i.e. eliminating the capacity of well-being in the future of these well cared-for animals couldn't possibly be the ethical thing to do. Not when we consider that these animals would have a great interest in continuing their existence.

Said it before in another thread, vegans would make a lot more friends among non-vegans if they would drop the "Veganism is what is best for you because I know what I am talking about and you are an idiot for not following my lead!" mindset.

Luckily that kind of a mindset is not popular. From everything I’ve seen it’s more to do with advocating for making changes for the benefit of other beings, while also having some level of understanding as former non-vegans, and less about just being bossy.

 

[beowulf]

There’s different strategies that work on different people in different ways. Some are more proactive and straightforward (not "forceful") when it comes to trying to influence others with the main focus being on animal rights. At some point it may be a part of what makes people think about certain issues more than booths with info and recipes.

Kinda difficult to say. But also not sure if you, as a person who hasn’t been convinced, know what will convince people the best either, or know if certain methods like protesting in front of establishments* should just be avoided.

*which is a fair bit less than what PETA has done to earn its reputation.


That concept really is a paradox though.
Even when assuming the animals live good lives and are treated in an ethical way, then unnecessarily slaughtering i.e. eliminating the capacity of well-being in the future of these well cared-for animals couldn't possibly be the ethical thing to do. Not when we consider that these animals would have a great interest in continuing their existence.


Luckily that kind of a mindset is not popular. From everything I’ve seen it’s more to do with advocating for making changes for the benefit of other beings, while also having some level of understanding as former non-vegans, and less about just being bossy.

In the end veganism is not for everyone. For certain cultures, hunting and eating meat is not only a tradition but required for survival. Also being a proper vegan, eating properly to avoid deficiencies is not always cheap. Look at the prices for fresh produce etc. versus process meats and products that while not animal, do hurt animals like palm oil that causes massive deforestation.

A lot of people also just simply like meat and will not give it up. Maybe one day the $30,000 lab grown burger will become affordable and we will no longer need to farm animals for food.

 

[Chonged]

I May Be The Only One But That Video Just Made Me Hungry

 

[Juzmo]

In the end veganism is not for everyone. For certain cultures, hunting and eating meat is not only a tradition but required for survival. Also being a proper vegan, eating properly to avoid deficiencies is not always cheap. Look at the prices for fresh produce etc. versus process meats and products that while not animal, do hurt animals like palm oil that causes massive deforestation.

A lot of people also just simply like meat and will not give it up. Maybe one day the $30,000 lab grown burger will become affordable and we will no longer need to farm animals for food.

Yup. There's plenty of places around the world where avoiding all animal products is really not possible or practicable while trying to sustain oneself. In general a whole foods plant-based is less expensive than one with animal products, but even in more developed countries food deserts and certain serious medical conditions exist. Though in general vegans understand this, and focus on people with perfectly good alternatives.

Luckily there's been a lot of money and effort put into the developement of lab-grown meat, and alternatives to animal products in general (Impossible Burger being one good example), since it doesn't require too much change when it comes to this habit that is so ingrained in society. And change will certainly be slow.