Proposal: Jimmy Howard to LA

[zwixrr]

With Quick going down for at least 3 months the Kings are in a grave position. The backup goaltending is to say the least, self-imploding at best. It's fairly safe to say that LA is exploring the market to bring in an established goaltender that can keep the team competitive until Quick returns.

Enter Jimmy Howard

Howard has a contract that brings a cap hit of $5,291,667 for three more years. While that is something the Kings would definitely consider a handicap, Howard is a probable candidate to be living on the strip next season. If you want to risk getting a goaltender on a fat contract that isn't likely to see decent cap retention if any, with the notion that he is going to get taken by Las Vegas, what kind of goalie are you getting for your squad?

Jimmy Howard has a career SV% of .915 whiling posting a GAA of 2.45. While some people might rip up his recent play Howard is honestly a decent goaltender when hes on top of his game, and plays best when he is THE guy. If he is given the next three months in LA to be THE guy behind a defense that would be an obvious upgrade over Detroit I think it would be say to predict a SV% are .930 and a GAA of 2.20 which I consider to be good numbers for a starting goalie.

What kind of deal would Jimmy Howard be shipped of to LA in? What kind of value does he have right now and based on my prediction for his performance in LA what kind of trade value does he have if LA looks to break ties with him before the off-season if they don't feel comfortable bringing his contract into the expansion draft.

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[Finnish your Czech]

The only way Howard goes to LA is if Dustin Brown is coming back to Detroit (I'm aware that Howard may have more value)

 

[zwixrr]

The only way Howard goes to LA is if Dustin Brown is coming back to Detroit (I'm aware that Howard may have more value)

I have to disagree there are trades that can make the cap work and LA is in need of a goalie so they can't force Brown into the trade.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I have to disagree there are trades that can make the cap work and LA is in need of a goalie so they can't force Brown into the trade.

there is no way to make this trade if the kings are gaining any cap We need to save as much as possible to resign Pearson and toffoli to new deal. So please give up this notion of adding howard to la unless your taking greene gaborik /or brown and/or retaining 50 % there is no way to afford him. The him to vegas notion is our pipe dream for brown /gaborik We don't need to add another

 

[Syckle78]

Kings can't take on two additional years of Howard. Howard isn't a stop gap replacement.

 

[HockeyHead21]

With Quick going down for at least 3 months the Kings are in a grave position. The backup goaltending is to say the least, self-imploding at best. It's fairly safe to say that LA is exploring the market to bring in an established goaltender that can keep the team competitive until Quick returns.

Enter Jimmy Howard

Howard has a contract that brings a cap hit of $5,291,667 for three more years. While that is something the Kings would definitely consider a handicap, Howard is a probable candidate to be living on the strip next season. If you want to risk getting a goaltender on a fat contract that isn't likely to see decent cap retention if any, with the notion that he is going to get taken by Las Vegas, what kind of goalie are you getting for your squad?

Jimmy Howard has a career SV% of .915 whiling posting a GAA of 2.45. While some people might rip up his recent play Howard is honestly a decent goaltender when hes on top of his game, and plays best when he is THE guy. If he is given the next three months in LA to be THE guy behind a defense that would be an obvious upgrade over Detroit I think it would be say to predict a SV% are .930 and a GAA of 2.20 which I consider to be good numbers for a starting goalie.

What kind of deal would Jimmy Howard be shipped of to LA in? What kind of value does he have right now and based on my prediction for his performance in LA what kind of trade value does he have if LA looks to break ties with him before the off-season if they don't feel comfortable bringing his contract into the expansion draft.

Quick has never had a season of .930% in his career. He is much better than Howard so what makes you think this is a safe bet? Those numbers aren't just good for a starting goalie, they are Vezina quality. Holtby had a 2.20 and .922% last year for comparison....

 

[zwixrr]

Kings can't take on two additional years of Howard. Howard isn't a stop gap replacement.

Did you even read my post? This is all under the notion that Howard gets taken in the expansion draft, which lets be honest is a realistic scenario, or that the kings trade him away before then.

 

[TheTakedown]

What about Howard @ $2.65M (50% retained salary)? Would the Kings be interested in that?

 

[zwixrr]

there is no way to make this trade if the kings are gaining any cap We need to save as much as possible to resign Pearson and toffoli to new deal. So please give up this notion of adding howard to la unless your taking greene gaborik /or brown and/or retaining 50 % there is no way to afford him. The him to vegas notion is our pipe dream for brown /gaborik We don't need to add another

Howard can go to Vegas in the expansion draft because he is a good goalie. Brown is way over the hill and Gabby is just not getting it done anymore. You can't dismiss a real possibility just because your players are useless now.

Dwight King + Budaj for Howard with some roster moves makes the team above the cap floor. I just did it myself on capfriendly so don't try to make the accusation that it can't be done without retention because it definitely can be done. Now I'm sure Ken Holland would be more than happy to retain some of the cap if the Kings want to make a bigger deal with more pieces but lets be honest LA isn't in a position to play hardball if they want their season to be a competitive one.

 

[zwixrr]

What about Howard @ $2.65M (50% retained salary)? Would the Kings be interested in that?

Unlikely scenario but it would definitely have to involve a decent draft pick coming back to Detroit because Howard at 2.65M x 3 is a steal honestly.

 

[Syckle78]

Did you even read my post? This is all under the notion that Howard gets taken in the expansion draft, which lets be honest is a realistic scenario, or that the kings trade him away before then.

No,too much to read. But there's no freaking way the kings make that gamble. It's a completely asinine scenario. I'm sure they would be thrilled to chance being stuck with 10m+ in goalies for the next almost 3 years.

 

[zwixrr]

Quick has never had a season of .930% in his career. He is much better than Howard so what makes you think this is a safe bet? Those numbers aren't just good for a starting goalie, they are Vezina quality. Holtby had a 2.20 and .922% last year for comparison....

Howard has been a Vezina qualifier twice in his career and before he went down last year he was top 10 in the league. Remember he has been putting up decent numbers behind a Red Wings defense that has been lost ever since Lidstrom decided to hang them up. Playing behind a real defense Howard would be top 10 in the league and making a name for himself again. Remember Howard finished second in calder votes his rookie year. He isn't some washed up guy he came into the league on fire and has been beat down because the product on the ice in front of him has been garbage.

 

[zwixrr]

No,too much to read. But there's no freaking way the kings make that gamble. It's a completely asinine scenario. I'm sure they would be thrilled to chance being stuck with 10m+ in goalies for the next almost 3 years.

It's a scenario where they are trying to keep their season intact. 10m is only 2m over what I think NHL teams should be spending on goaltending so if you think they can't manage a 2m hole for 3 years then you obviously have to be assuming they are giving up on this season.

 

[Trolfoli]

Ok... Kings aren't trading King for a backup goalie.
1) Redwings retain 50% to get rid of Howard, and the Kings are still only offering a 3rd.
2) They take back Brown's contract.

Those are the 2 offers from the Kings. I understand if you don't like them.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Howard can go to Vegas in the expansion draft because he is a good goalie. Brown is way over the hill and Gabby is just not getting it done anymore. You can't dismiss a real possibility just because your players are useless now.

Dwight King + Budaj for Howard with some roster moves makes the team above the cap floor. I just did it myself on capfriendly so don't try to make the accusation that it can't be done without retention because it definitely can be done. Now I'm sure Ken Holland would be more than happy to retain some of the cap if the Kings want to make a bigger deal with more pieces but lets be honest LA isn't in a position to play hardball if they want their season to be a competitive one.

You seem so sure Howard will end up in Vegas. Why? What if he doesn't? Now the Kings have a ton of money tied up in two goalies for two more years.

 

[zwixrr]

Ok... Kings aren't trading King for a backup goalie.
1) Redwings retain 50% to get rid of Howard, and the Kings are still only offering a 3rd.
2) They take back Brown's contract.

Those are the 2 offers from the Kings. I understand if you don't like them.

Don't play hardball when you're the ones in need.

 

[zwixrr]

You seem so sure Howard will end up in Vegas. Why? What if he doesn't? Now the Kings have a ton of money tied up in two goalies for two more years.

That's not my problem, that's the risk this scenario includes.

 

[TheTakedown]

Howard has been a Vezina qualifier twice in his career and before he went down last year he was top 10 in the league. Remember he has been putting up decent numbers behind a Red Wings defense that has been lost ever since Lidstrom decided to hang them up. Playing behind a real defense Howard would be top 10 in the league and making a name for himself again. Remember Howard finished second in calder votes his rookie year. He isn't some washed up guy he came into the league on fire and has been beat down because the product on the ice in front of him has been garbage.

Why is Mrazek putting up better numbers behind the same team?

Howard is garbage right now, and maybe the change of scenery helps him out of that funk, but you're going to have to give to get.

You could go Brown for Howard, or you can go Howard @ 50% for a pick and a middling prospect. You're not trading Braden Holtby here

 

[Finnish your Czech]

I can't see Vegas taking Howard when they'll have much better options like Bishop, Neuvirth, Halak, Pickard/Varlamov, Fleury (potentially). Even Niemi and Lehtonen are better options due to term on the contracts...

 

[Trolfoli]

Don't play hardball when you're the ones in need.

Not the ones in need. Howard doesn't fix what's wrong with the Kings. He doesn't make this a team that can compete in the playoffs. He sure doesn't do it after Quick gets back and Howard is on the bench sucking up 5.2M.

50% or eat Brown's contract. That is all.

 

[zwixrr]

Why is Mrazek putting up better numbers behind the same team?

Howard is garbage right now, and maybe the change of scenery helps him out of that funk, but you're going to have to give to get.

You could go Brown for Howard, or you can go Howard @ 50% for a pick and a middling prospect. You're not trading Braden Holtby here

Don't try to compare Mrazek and Howard please. We all know Mrazek is better than Jimmy and most goaltenders in the league.

 

[Syckle78]

Kings are already tight against the cap as it is. Adding 5m more in goaltending beyond this year is nuts. 10m a year in goaltending is not what a team should be paying in goaltending when their starter is making 5.8. Him plus Jimmy is 11m that's that's like 3m in wasted cap being generous paying a backup 3m which is a lot. The King's are better off giving up on the year and adding a good cost controlled player at the draft than wasting assets to screw their cap up even more for 2 additional years.

 

[zwixrr]

Kings are already tight against the cap as it is. Adding 5m more in goaltending beyond this year is nuts. 10m a year in goaltending is not what a team should be paying in goaltending when their starter is making 5.8. Him plus Jimmy is 11m that's that's like 3m in wasted cap being generous paying a backup 3m which is a lot. The King's are better off giving up on the year and adding a good cost controlled player at the draft than wasting assets to screw their cap up even more for 2 additional years.

Then go with the Kings giving up on the year. That's not what this is about.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Not the ones in need. Howard doesn't fix what's wrong with the Kings. He doesn't make this a team that can compete in the playoffs. He sure doesn't do it after Quick gets back and Howard is on the bench sucking up 5.2M.

50% or eat Brown's contract. That is all.

The Kings are in need, but not enough to pay 5.25 million for 3 years on a 3 month replacement

 

[HockeyHead21]

Howard has been a Vezina qualifier twice in his career and before he went down last year he was top 10 in the league. Remember he has been putting up decent numbers behind a Red Wings defense that has been lost ever since Lidstrom decided to hang them up.
Playing behind a real defense Howard would be top 10 in the league and making a name for himself again.
Remember Howard finished second in calder votes his rookie year.

He isn't some washed up guy he came into the league on fire and has been beat down because the product on the ice in front of him has been garbage.

1)Has never had a .930% even playing three years with Lidstrom. Arguably the greatest defencman of all time.

2)So why don't you keep him if he's that great? It's only two years and if Mrazek can do it, why can't Jimmy?

3)The better part of a decade ago.

4)Again, Mrazek is doing just fine with that beat down product.