Confirmed with Link: Jimmy Howard re-signed for 6 years 5.3m per year

[14ari13]

**** Holland.

Is it really true?

 

[InjuredChoker]

Is it really true?

It's on Capgeek's page too.

They are very, very rarely wrong (never?), very reliable.

Lol, NMC AND modified NTC.

GL Mrazek.

 

[14ari13]

It's on Capgeek's page too.

They are very, very rarely wrong (never?), very reliable.

Lol, NMC AND modified NTC.

GL Mrazek.

Thanks.

This really sucks big time.

 

[Heaton]

Let's wait for Mrazek to show he's actually as good or better than Howard before this become an issue, eh?

 

[PullHard]

Let's wait for Mrazek to show he's actually as good or better than Howard before this become an issue, eh?

While I agree that in this very moment it means nothing,

in ~2 or 3 years, it could mean a lot.

Another tick in the "Really, Kenny?" column from where I'm standing.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Let's wait for Mrazek to show he's actually as good or better than Howard before this become an issue, eh?

That's not the issue.

The issue is that Holland paid
a) A premium salary for Howard
b) A long term
c) And NTCs etc

Holland has tied is own hands ...and reduced his flexibility

 

[ArGarBarGar]

When is the last time Holland offered a contract that doesn't involve a NTC or NMC?

I don't get it.

 

[ChadS]

This couldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Hey, even Samuelsson has a NTC... But Jimmy's is a modified NTC so it's not that bad.

 

[garry1221]

While I agree that in this very moment it means nothing,

in ~2 or 3 years, it could mean a lot.

Another tick in the "Really, Kenny?" column from where I'm standing.

Damn, and just when I was beginning to have hope for a change in mindset. I'm waiting on the day every single player Kenny signs will have some kind of ntc. At this rate, it'll happen sooner rather than later.

That's not the issue.

The issue is that Holland paid
a) A premium salary for Howard
b) A long term
c) And NTCs etc

Holland has tied is own hands ...and reduced his flexibility

Standing alone, A and B aren't horrible. Combined those two still aren't bad per se. Combine either with C, and you start wondering what the hell was the behind thought process. Someone needs to send Kenny to intervention. I never realized that ntc's and nmc's were drugs, but they must be. Why else would they appear in every contract Kenny signs? Isn't it enough that Kenny won't make a player/player trade because he might get his heart broken?

 

[Heaton]

That's not the issue.

The issue is that Holland paid
a) A premium salary for Howard
b) A long term
c) And NTCs etc

Holland has tied is own hands ...and reduced his flexibility

So, what are the chances Mrazek is better than Howard?

 

[ricky0034]

So, what are the chances Mrazek is better than Howard?

not nearly as high as a bunch of people around here seem to think,but it's still a realistic outcome

why a NTC Holland?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

That's not the issue.

The issue is that Holland paid
a) A premium salary for Howard
b) A long term
c) And NTCs etc

Holland has tied is own hands ...and reduced his flexibility

The deal also back dives a little, so he should be more attractive to lower cap teams. Depending on what the actual modified NTC means that could be big. I really dislike that you can never really find out the modification in these contracts, like how many teams can he block? That is all I really want to know, if he gets to provide a list of like 8 teams it shouldn't be a huge deal. Although it will block some of the teams that might find his contract attractive more than likely.

 

[sarcastro]

Would have been nice to see NMCs and NTCs eliminated in the new CBA. Oh well. At least they fixed the Redden/Souray Loophole.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Would have been nice to see NMCs and NTCs eliminated in the new CBA. Oh well. At least they fixed the Redden/Souray Loophole.

Yeah I really liked that idea, made a post on it remember the number being above 20% of the league has these. Understood why that was a non-starter with the NHLPA and unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle at this point.

For perspective, Kobe Bryant is the only guy to have a NTC, that might even be ever in the NBA. The only current player I know of unless Durant got one in the entire league.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

So, what are the chances Mrazek is better than Howard?

No idea.

But that's not the point.

I just got finished telling you that isn't the point.

The point is, what if 3 years from now Jimmy Howard looks like a total turd?
What if Mrazek looks better. What if McCollum looks better? What if Gustavsson plays during a Howard injury and he stands on his head during two playoff series for us?

What was the need for this contract?

 

[RedWingsNow*]

This couldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Hey, even Samuelsson has a NTC... But Jimmy's is a modified NTC so it's not that bad.

One might have hoped some change of thinking with the new CBA.

But Holland stopped thinking clearly years ago

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

No idea.

But that's not the point.

I just got finished telling you that isn't the point.

The point is, what if 3 years from now Jimmy Howard looks like a total turd?
What if Mrazek looks better. What if McCollum looks better? What if Gustavsson plays during a Howard injury and he stands on his head during two playoff series for us?

What was the need for this contract?

What if the more likely thing happens, and they don't?

Hate the NTC.

 

[Heaton]

No idea.

But that's not the point.

I just got finished telling you that isn't the point.

The point is, what if 3 years from now Jimmy Howard looks like a total turd?
What if Mrazek looks better. What if McCollum looks better? What if Gustavsson plays during a Howard injury and he stands on his head during two playoff series for us?

What was the need for this contract?

I dunno. I don't like the contract either, but with your 'concerns' why sign any player to longer than a 1 year deal?

 

[Winger98]

does anyone know exactly how it is a modified NTC? I'm betting it provides Holland flexibility to make a move later in the contract, similar to how Cleary's NTC disappeared last year. At that point, it's really just not a big deal that it's included.

 

[PullHard]

does anyone know exactly how it is a modified NTC? I'm betting it provides Holland flexibility to make a move later in the contract, similar to how Cleary's NTC disappeared last year. At that point, it's really just not a big deal that it's included.

This would be very relieving.

Won't hold my breath, though.

 

[sarcastro]

Jimmy's got the modified NTC thing on his capgeek, but the Wings' page doesn't show him with a little lock next to him. Something's amiss.

When you think about it, if you've given E, Sammy, Bert, Cleary, and Gustavsson some kind of NTC, it's hard to tell your franchise goalie he can't have one. Just sayin'.

Also worth mentioning - almost all of the goalies with $5m+ cap hits that have gotten some kind of NMC or NTC. Only guys without one according to capgeek are Quick, Price and Lundqvist (whose deal is almost done - he'll get a NTC with his next one). Rinne, Fleury, Loluongo, Bryz, Miller, Ward, and Kipper all have one. Backstrom doesn't but his deal is done and was only 4 years.

As ridiculous as it is, it seems to be the industry standard. And we don't know what the modifications are yet.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Jimmy's got the modified NTC thing on his capgeek, but the Wings' page doesn't show him with a little lock next to him. Something's amiss.

When you think about it, if you've given E, Sammy, Bert, Cleary, and Gustavsson some kind of NTC, it's hard to tell your franchise goalie he can't have one. Just sayin'.

Also worth mentioning - almost all of the goalies with $5m+ cap hits that have gotten some kind of NMC or NTC. Only guys without one according to capgeek are Quick, Price and Lundqvist (whose deal is almost done - he'll get a NTC with his next one). Rinne, Fleury, Loluongo, Bryz, Miller, Ward, and Kipper all have one. Backstrom doesn't but his deal is done and was only 4 years.

As ridiculous as it is, it seems to be the industry standard. And we don't know what the modifications are yet.

Just because its the league trend doesn't make it right and shouldn't give KH an excuse IMO.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

No idea.

But that's not the point.

I just got finished telling you that isn't the point.

The point is, what if 3 years from now Jimmy Howard looks like a total turd?
What if Mrazek looks better. What if McCollum looks better? What if Gustavsson plays during a Howard injury and he stands on his head during two playoff series for us?

What was the need for this contract?

I count 4 ifs there. If you have to base any argument on ifs and buts you're grasping at straws. The only believable if is that Mrazek may be ready in 2-3 years, but his play has really tailed off the past month and a half. You can apply that logic to any contract over 4 years for any player, there's risk with any contract and you hope that reward is worth the risk.

 

[GT500x]

That's not the issue.

The issue is that Holland paid
a) A premium salary for Howard
b) A long term
c) And NTCs etc

Holland has tied is own hands ...and reduced his flexibility

This is what's irking me. I'm not a goalie person and I don't believe they are reliable over long periods of time -- no offense to those that play the position. A four year deal would have been more than enough for me and the NTC (god I'm starting to hate those) really makes this deal a wtf'er.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Just because its the league trend doesn't make it right and shouldn't give KH an excuse IMO.

If it is the trend do you think that Howard or his agent are going to sign a deal without one?

I'm sure another team would be willing if he chose to go to free agency.