Value of: JG Pageau at the deadline

[miscs75]

Not sure how Kampf has played this year but maybe something around that.

Not with 3 more years left at $2.4m it can’t. No need for another 4th liner in return that’s overhyped because of the fact he plays in Toronto.

 

[SI90]

Jeez, has JGP really dropped that much? He was a premier 3C for awhile. What happened?

Wrist injury a couple years ago and hasn’t been the same since

 

[biturbo19]

You have to ask yourself, what would he get on the open market this summer as a UFA?

Certainly, he'd get 2.5M x 2 or more. A veteran defensive matchup C who can PK and win faceoffs, but can't provide enough offense to be used up higher in the lineup is at least worth that.

He'd absolutely get a return at half retained either at the deadline or in the offseason. The early part of the offseason probably makes more sense than the trade deadline because teams have a lot more cap flexibility and willingness to move parts.

I don't think the Islanders would have to retain half. The cap is going up to 87.5M. Someone would probably take Pageau at 3M-3.5M x 2 years for late pick. Which would be win/win for both sides. The Islanders would tie up a retention spot for 2 years, but they would also free up 3M+ of cap. A buyout is going to be more expensive cap wise.

They also could just keep him. If he can still be a defensive C, they would still be getting value out of him, with the rest of his hit just being a sunk cost.

Because of the salary structure with Pageau, his buyout isn't actually even that onerous. But yeah, there's a point at which you'd have to weigh whether it's worth tying up the retention slot vs two extra years tagged on of cap hit. Or more importantly, probably whether it makes more sense to just keep him for a least another year, as he's still a useful enough player defensively. Makes him a lot easier to move, or buy out if it absolutely came to that.

Not with 3 more years left at $2.4m it can’t. No need for another 4th liner in return that’s overhyped because of the fact he plays in Toronto.

Yeah. Toronto actually feels like a somewhat decent fit, if you ignore the cap issues that presents. There just isn't the right sort of cap to swap around to even make that make sense though. I think the Isles would be happier just keeping Pageau, rather than bringing in a guy they don't need and eating up more or less that same salary with retention...to downgrade to Kampf.

 

[crashthenet]

Not with 3 more years left at $2.4m it can’t. No need for another 4th liner in return that’s overhyped because of the fact he plays in Toronto.

Gotta get to give if that's the case. An aging bottom six could withstand 2.4 next year if he is still a good faceoff and D zone guy. Not worried about what follows just yet.

 

[miscs75]

Gotta get to give if that's the case. An aging bottom six could withstand 2.4 next year if he is still a good faceoff and D zone guy. Not worried about what follows just yet.

That’s not give to get. That’s giving the Leafs a bottom six center that they want and getting stuck with more roster junk they can’t do anything with. The issue is that the return with the extra year is just a wasted roster space. Kampf doesn’t bring anything of benefit to the Islanders to warrant taking him in return for JGP outside of taking away a roster spot. Rather move JGP for just picks and fill the spot with someone in the system (Durandeau or Maclean).

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Wrist injury a couple years ago and hasn’t been the same since

Yep. Still managed to hit 13/27 with a 55% fo last year but all Isles fans saw a huge difference in his game, none of which revolved around the typical HFBoards "OMG HE IS 30" narrative.

He can't shoot, he can't check and he's wary of getting hit along the boards where his wrist could get turned or sprained.

It's awful. The guy's a competitor but his game is really limited and it shows.

It was the second Tampa series. He went down and the Isles never got back up.

 

[crashthenet]

That’s not give to get. That’s giving the Leafs a bottom six center that they want and getting stuck with more roster junk they can’t do anything with. The issue is that the return with the extra year is just a wasted roster space. Kampf doesn’t bring anything of benefit to the Islanders to warrant taking him in return for JGP outside of taking away a roster spot. Rather move JGP for just picks and fill the spot with someone in the system (Durandeau or Maclean).

What picks do you think you'd be getting? The extra year at 2.4 means nothing btw.

 

[miscs75]

What picks do you think you'd be getting? The extra year at 2.4 means nothing btw.

If Pageau was to be traded, it would be for futures not another below average bottom six forward to clog up the roster for more term.

 

[crashthenet]

If Pageau was to be traded, it would be for futures not another below average bottom six forward to clog up the roster for more term.

Immediate cap space would be an asset.

 

[miscs75]

Immediate cap space would be an asset.

Adding in the additional year of a wasted roster space isn’t the asset I’m thinking of. Using his full $5m worth of space for upgrades on the roster would be. If the Isles are taking back anything, it’s a contract that’s a pending UFA, not a guy with more term than what’s going out.

 

[crashthenet]

Adding in the additional year of a wasted roster space isn’t the asset I’m thinking of. Using his full $5m worth of space for upgrades on the roster would be. If the Isles are taking back anything, it’s a contract that’s a pending UFA, not a guy with more term than what’s going out.

This is good conversation tbh. We'll agree to disagree. I think it's easier to unload the Kampf contract if he didn't serve a purpose and also think we could upgrade the bottom D spots with some extra dough.