You could probably move him, the problem would be more his NTC/NMC. Like a Utah would probably take him, it's just he wouldn't waive to go there. Cap is going to be near 100 million in a couple of years, 9 million is not going to be what it's been in the COVID freeze years.
Value of: Jettisoning Darnell Nurse
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ManofSteel55
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Agreed. The only way Nurse could be traded (from a team perspective) is if they found a guy in a similar situation - who was a bit overpaid, probably could use a shake up and fresh start on another team. The unfortunate part is that these guys all seem to have NTC's now, so it isn't really possible. In some ways, Nurse for Trouba makes some sense for both sides, but it's impossible, as neither guy would waive that NTC - especially Trouba, there's no way he's coming to Edmonton to play.
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Montour and Skjei are solid secondary options on a top pair, or #3's at worst and paid appropriately. Nurse makes more than them and is a #4 at best. I wouldn't even take Nurse over them at even money
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I was about to say that Nurse isn’t that bad and still has some upside, then I realized he’s 29 and probable to decline if anything.
I guess he’s one of those guys that peaked young and was paid for potential, without ever fully following through. That said, Nurse is probably worth something like 6mil a year or even 5mil a year. So Edmonton either has to either take back a cap dump or retain to get anything resembling value.
I’d probably just keep him or trade him for another player who could use a change of scenery. Laine for Nurse would be a fun trade in NHL 25.
I guess he’s one of those guys that peaked young and was paid for potential, without ever fully following through. That said, Nurse is probably worth something like 6mil a year or even 5mil a year. So Edmonton either has to either take back a cap dump or retain to get anything resembling value.
I’d probably just keep him or trade him for another player who could use a change of scenery. Laine for Nurse would be a fun trade in NHL 25.
ManofSteel55
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Gross. We've beefed up the forward core enough, we need to work on the blueline now.
ManofSteel55
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The only major difference between a #3 and #4 is the ability to run that second pair. That's basically it. Nurse has shown that he can be the #3 when he isn't paired with a #5/6. His pair struggled a lot last year, and that was certainly partially on him, but they need to find him a new partner - the ones we've had for him aren't working properly. The only difference between a Montour/Skjei and Nurse, is playing style.
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Probably. I think a lot of people look at the performance and the salary, and forget that he mostly plays with Cody Ceci. If he was a UFA this offseason he'd probably get a long term deal with an AAV in the 5-6 mil range.
But he's still a 29 year old D with term and a NMC and complete to mostly complete trade protection. The issue is that generally teams with cap space this time of year are in a position where they put less value in what Nurse provides right now AND aren't the teams Nurse would want to leave a cup finalist for. If Edmonton wants to move Nurse, they need to either convince Nurse to go to a team who can take his cap (who would need future pieces needs to entice a team that
Edmonton would frankly be better off paying to dump Ceci (who only has a year left and no trade protection) and signing one of the leftover RD UFAs.
So... Nurse has shown he can run a middle pair when he's with someone better than him? Lmfao
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Don’t think any team touches his contract. He cost the Oilers a few games in the playoffs
ManofSteel55
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No, he's shown he can run a middle pair when he isn't playing with fringe NHL'ers or with Cody Ceci - who I think is overmatched in that role and Nurse has to cover for him. I don't think he needs someone "better" than him to anchor that pair - but he does need someone better than who he has had to partner with.
Nurse is the furthest thing from a pylon. Pylon's are slow (stationary). Nurse isn't slow by any means, he's a great skater. But he puts himself out of position a lot.
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Let's go with the ever so common, four way trade:
To Edmonton:
Erik Karlsson ($1M retained)
Ryan Graves
To Pittsburgh:
Darnell Nurse
Cody Ceci
Matvei Petrov
To Ottawa:
Brett Kulak
Fourth team with Cap Space (like Columbus):
2026 3rd Round Pick (Florida's from Ottawa)
Retaining $1M on Karlsson
Rationale:
For Pitts:
- Cap relief for the next 3 years and getting out Graves' contract
- Hope that Nurse can play better with a solid, puck moving partner like Letang
- Ceci to play in the bottom six and possibly dealt at the deadline if they are not in the playoffs
Nurse-Letang
Pettersson-Aho
Grzelyck-Ceci
For the Oilers:
- RD for Top 4
- clears up the LD log jam, allowing for Broberg to move back to his natural side
- Cap space after the next 3 seasons
Ekholm-Karlsson
Broberg-Bouchard
Graves-Stecher
For the Sens:
- Based on another thread, there was interest in Kulak
- Gives them a solid vet for their third pairing for one of their many 3rd round picks
Fourth team:
- $1M cap space over the next three years for a third round pick
To Edmonton:
Erik Karlsson ($1M retained)
Ryan Graves
To Pittsburgh:
Darnell Nurse
Cody Ceci
Matvei Petrov
To Ottawa:
Brett Kulak
Fourth team with Cap Space (like Columbus):
2026 3rd Round Pick (Florida's from Ottawa)
Retaining $1M on Karlsson
Rationale:
For Pitts:
- Cap relief for the next 3 years and getting out Graves' contract
- Hope that Nurse can play better with a solid, puck moving partner like Letang
- Ceci to play in the bottom six and possibly dealt at the deadline if they are not in the playoffs
Nurse-Letang
Pettersson-Aho
Grzelyck-Ceci
For the Oilers:
- RD for Top 4
- clears up the LD log jam, allowing for Broberg to move back to his natural side
- Cap space after the next 3 seasons
Ekholm-Karlsson
Broberg-Bouchard
Graves-Stecher
For the Sens:
- Based on another thread, there was interest in Kulak
- Gives them a solid vet for their third pairing for one of their many 3rd round picks
Fourth team:
- $1M cap space over the next three years for a third round pick
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A fair take -- which I shared maybe at one point. But they've been perennial contenders with him.
I guess it depends what the options are I just think treating him as a straight cap dump is not the way to go anymore if they will need to pay 7 million for someone with nurse like attributes (speed, leadership, competitiveness, off ice contributions).
I'd just assume best case scenario is saving a couple million and getting someone slower who makes less glaring mistakes.
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This post doesn't make sense to me, on one hand you seem to be defending him but you also admit to him being overpaid by 4M+ a season?
Jacob Slavin, 10x better than this guy, just signed for 8 years 6.5M and signed the deal 3 years after, only 1 year older than Nurse.
It's an absolutely horrendous contract that might prevent Oilers from getting over the hump. It won't cost them McDrai, it could cost them adding one or two high end compliemntary pieces that could get them over.
There's going to be lots of teams like $20 million below the cap floor this year and moving forward too, if the Oilers take back like a $3-$4 million dollar player, then it's effective getting Nurse for $5-$6 million.
Regarding the length of the contract the deal is front loaded, like the last 3 years of the deal are $7 mill or so I believe.
I don't think the Oilers actually have much interest in dealing him. To find another top 4 D would be a pain in the ass and he's very close to McDavid. It's mainly he and Ceci together just don't mix for whatever reason, the Oilers just need to accept that. Separately they do a lot better apart.
Would have to be a 4 million dollar contract with the guy playing like a million dollar contract with the same term.
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It's not about beefing up.. but freeing up cap for McDavid's next deal.
Not expecting much from Laine in that swap.
Oilers can't afford that cap wise even after walking away from Draisaitl.
We meet in the middle. Nurse at 7.5M for Morgan Rielly. Won't trade Marner. Let's trade the other core player to shake things up
ManofSteel55
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Not sure if either would waive their NTC, but it might be the shakeup that both players need. I wouldn't love it. But I wouldn't say no right away either.
id do the trade to create cap space other then that I wouldn’t move Rielly for Nurse
