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Value of: Jettisoning Darnell Nurse
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Why would Utah take him for next to nothing?
A rebuilding team will probably take him for EDM 25’ 1st.
Utah probably going to make traction in around 2 seasons. About the time when a few of their prospects have enough experience for them to make a move. Plus the structure of nurse contract is rough with nmc and mostly SB from years 5-8.
WreckingCrew
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50% retention & a 1st for future considerations?
biturbo19
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Superlative Soup
Lights too bright
Don’t think Utah gonna be the dumping ground for teams that Arizona was
We’ll send you Krug if they retain 3 mil a year in an our trash for your trash deal. He could be ok next to Parayko.
lanceuppercut75
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I think Nurse's ideal D partner would be somebody like Seider.
I don't know if DET would bite, but it would probably start with EDM having to swap Nurse and Ceci for Chiarot and Holl. Maybe a Copp and McLeod swap added in as well.
Whether that's a 3 for 3 trade, or whether somebody is adding a pick or prospect, I don't know.
Adding Nurse might create a LD log-jam... Edvinsson, Nurse, Johansson, Wallinder, Buium.
I don't know if DET would bite, but it would probably start with EDM having to swap Nurse and Ceci for Chiarot and Holl. Maybe a Copp and McLeod swap added in as well.
Whether that's a 3 for 3 trade, or whether somebody is adding a pick or prospect, I don't know.
Adding Nurse might create a LD log-jam... Edvinsson, Nurse, Johansson, Wallinder, Buium.
How does this help the Oilers? Under a 50% retention scenario, if they replace Nurse with anyone worth their salt, they are likely paying just as much or more cap-wise between Nurse’s retention and the new guy’s salary. That’s if they could add anyone at all with Bouchard’s raise coming up, which is unlikely. They’d be back at square one. Pointless.
There’s really no deal to be made involving Nurse.
That contract is possibly the most unmoveable in the NHL.
It’s even buy out proof.
And the problem is that Nurse is already declining and is a bottom pairing D on the Oilers already.
Nurse is going nowhere.
It’s even buy out proof.
And the problem is that Nurse is already declining and is a bottom pairing D on the Oilers already.
Nurse is going nowhere.
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Yikes....
Sounds and looks insane but could almost make the argument they should buy him out for those first 2 years savings and go all in, that might be their cup window anyway honestly.
It's an interesting scenario. Gives them their best chance to win next season, but also drastically reduced their chances of keeping Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard. They would be looking at 10M burned in 2030 as an example.Yikes....
Sounds and looks insane but could almost make the argument they should buy him out for those first 2 years savings and go all in, that might be their cup window anyway honestly.
TheKingSlayer
He was in the way!
Lucic for Neal 2.0.
Huberdeau and Vladar for Nurse, Campbell and a 1st.
Huberdeau and Vladar for Nurse, Campbell and a 1st.
TheDawnOfANewTage
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Washington: “hello? Yes, we have one PLD for trade. What are we doing? Damned if I know, Stevie Y gave me a chocolate bar and the world has been weird since.”
I’d think it’s gotta be two+ 1st rounders. They’d be lower picks anyways, and you’d be bailing em out massively.
I’d think it’s gotta be two+ 1st rounders. They’d be lower picks anyways, and you’d be bailing em out massively.
lanceuppercut75
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To visualize this for EDM :
Hopkins - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - Draisaitl - Bourgault
(Henrique/Foegele) - Copp - Holloway
(UFA) - (UFA) - Ryan
13F = Lavoie
14F = Caggiula
Ekholm - Bouchard
Kulak - Broberg
(UFA) - Holl ---> dump ---> (UFA)
7D = Chiarot
Skinner
Rodrigue / Campbell
You can also immediately trade Holl (50% retained) to Anaheim for a 7th round pick or future considerations. Replace him with a 3rd pairing cheap UFA. Chiarot expires in 2026. Holl or the 50% retention on Holl expires in 2026. Copp expires in 2027. This does solve Edmonton's cap problems related to overpaying Nurse, but EDM has to wait 2 years to get the majority of the cap relief, and 3 years to get all of it. They can only get $1.7m cap relief (minus the cost of a league minimum replacement) right away by dumping Holl with full retention, which isn't much, but hey, it's something.
That's like trading gonorrhea for herpes.
Forge
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He's got a full no move and plays on a team that just lost the stanley cup finals in game 7 a year after losing in the second round and two years removed from a conference finals loss.
So he makes a lot of money on a competitive team in a market he clearly hasn't minded playing in.
I'm not sure how you get him to waive? I'd imagine that he'd like to stay on a competitive team and I'm not sure what competitive team is taking on this deal or can afford to take on this deal?
So he makes a lot of money on a competitive team in a market he clearly hasn't minded playing in.
I'm not sure how you get him to waive? I'd imagine that he'd like to stay on a competitive team and I'm not sure what competitive team is taking on this deal or can afford to take on this deal?
biturbo19
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The ideal partner for someone like Nurse would actually be...someone like Christopher Tanev. A guy who can sit there like..."i have absolutely no idea what my partner is doing right now or why, but i'm going to adjust myself to compensate and hedge against the impending calamity". And like Tanev, can process all that in a split second...because Nurse is capable of making instantly bad decisions.
He made Ben Hutton look competent for a minute. Hutton plays a lot like Nurse. Skates well skilled, does a lot of dynamic things. Also...sometimes...no clue what their brain misfunction is.
Tanev is good at covering for that.
Seider is dynamic and at times even overly aggressively himself. That's one of those "fuel + match" recipes that is hugely nope.
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Despite all the criticism, I do think Nurse is decent.... at 6M. So if Edmonton were willing to hold salary and deal their 1st, they'd probably find a taker. It wouldn't be a good return but frankly, 3-4M in dead cap and 5M in usable cap is better.
I really don't know how Edmonton is going to make their cap work. You've got Draisaitl likely closing in on Mathews money (if not exceeding it), McDavid has to be in the 15M range and then you have Bouchard. Sure, that last one is a RFA but he's absolutely getting paid.
I really don't know how Edmonton is going to make their cap work. You've got Draisaitl likely closing in on Mathews money (if not exceeding it), McDavid has to be in the 15M range and then you have Bouchard. Sure, that last one is a RFA but he's absolutely getting paid.
Devilsfan118
Sing us a song, you're the Schiano man
They gave him a full NMC in addition to this ridiculous term and AAV?
Jesus Christ was there any negotiation at all?
Those days are gone. I see a young owner who clearly has a passion for sports, a city gladly willing to help build an arena and fans that are going to be a great community.
They will be aggressive spenders and based on pretty much everyone who would know it's a great up and coming city players will gladly come to.
After years of the soul sucking depression in Arizona, this will be an easy team and city to root for.
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